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Honest, spiritual conversations to unravel the essence of the human experience. Exploring Jewish & Chassidic wisdom, women's Torah, and the lived experience of Judaism. Hosted by Tonia Chazanow. Learn more about Human & Holy's work at humanandholy.com.
Honest, spiritual conversations to unravel the essence of the human experience. Exploring Jewish & Chassidic wisdom, women's Torah, and the lived experience of Judaism. Hosted by Tonia Chazanow. Learn more about Human & Holy's work at humanandholy.com.
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Devori Nussbaum is a psychotherapist and Tanya teacher with training in various healing modalities including body psychotherapy, imago therapy, logotherapy, energetics of food, quantum touch, breathwork, CBT, NLP, EMDR, IFS, inner child work, and somatic modalities. She is passionate about teaching Chassidus in an accessible, relevant, and embodied way, demonstrating that these teachings reflect our reality.
Devori Nussbaum is a psychotherapist and Tanya teacher with training in various healing modalities including body psychotherapy, imago therapy, logotherapy, energetics of food, quantum touch, breathwork, CBT, NLP, EMDR, IFS, inner child work, and somatic modalities. She is passionate about teaching Chassidus in an accessible, relevant, and embodied way, demonstrating that these teachings reflect our reality.
Lauren Nagel is a Jewish woman dedicated to exploring and sharing spiritual insights within the framework of Jewish tradition. She is actively involved in community education and personal growth initiatives that deepen the connection to Torah and G-d.
Lauren Nagel is a Jewish woman dedicated to exploring and sharing spiritual insights within the framework of Jewish tradition. She is actively involved in community education and personal growth initiatives that deepen the connection to Torah and G-d.
Devora Pinson is a passionate Jewish educator and community leader known for her work in women's Torah learning and spiritual development. She engages in outreach and educational programs aimed at fostering a deeper understanding and connection to Jewish teachings.
Devora Pinson is a passionate Jewish educator and community leader known for her work in women's Torah learning and spiritual development. She engages in outreach and educational programs aimed at fostering a deeper understanding and connection to Jewish teachings.
Chana Arnold is a Jewish woman committed to spiritual growth and Torah study. She participates in various educational and community activities that promote a meaningful and personal relationship with G-d and the Torah.
Chana Arnold is a Jewish woman committed to spiritual growth and Torah study. She participates in various educational and community activities that promote a meaningful and personal relationship with G-d and the Torah.
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Honest, spiritual conversations about life and Judaism. Exploring Jewish & Chassidic wisdom, women's Torah, and the lived experience of Judaism. Hosted by Tonia Chazanow. Learn more about Human & Holy's work at humanandholy.com.
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Why is Religious Art So Well Behaved?
Hosts
Hosts of this podcast episode
Tonia Chazanow
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
religious artemotional expressionpoetryKing Davidspiritual artJudaismJewish wisdom
Thoughts on the neatness of religious art, what my process has been around learning to voice the honest emotional experience of life through poetry, and King David's model for creating spiritual art from a raw place within.
Sources mentioned in this episode:
Orthodoxy, Wealth, and Tackiness by Alex S. Ozar from Tradition, Spring 2025 Issue 57.2
Psalm 22: "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me; why so far from delivering me and from my anguished roaring?...I cry by day, You do not answer.."
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To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at [email protected].
To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor.
Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations
Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts.
Thoughts on the neatness of religious art, what my process has been around learning to voice the honest emotional experience of life through poetry, and King David's model for creating spiritual art from a raw place within.
Sources mentioned in this episode:
Orthodoxy, Wealth, and Tackiness by Alex S. Ozar from Tradition, Spring 2025 Issue 57.2
Psalm 22: "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me; why so far from delivering me and from my anguished roaring?...I cry by day, You do not answer.."
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To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at [email protected].
To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor.
Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations
Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts.
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Chassidus Through the Eyes of a Psychotherapist | Devori Nussbaum
Hosts
Hosts of this podcast episode
Tonia Chazanow
Guests
Guests of this podcast episode
Devori Nussbaum
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
Chassiduspsychotherapyemotional honestyspiritual growthG-d connectionshedding old identitiesgrief processingembodied spirituality
A conversation with Devori Nussbaum, a psychotherapist and Tanya teacher, about emotional honesty in our spiritual growth and living with open-hearted presence. Devori shares her unique approach to integrating Chassidus and psychotherapy, offering powerful insights into shedding old identities, processing the grief of life, and tapping into the opportunity for connection with G-d at every moment.
Devori is an integrative psychotherapist who has trained in many different healing modalities including body psychotherapy, imago therapy, logotherapy, the energetics of food, quantum touch, breathwork, CBT, NLP, EMDR, IFS, inner child work and somatic modalities. She is also passionate about teaching Chassidus in a way that is accessible, relevant and embodied, showing people that these teachings are not just nice ideas, but a description of our reality. Get in touch with Devori and find out more about her work on www.devorinussbaum.com.
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EPISODE SPONSOR:
"Miss Rose is Worried" by Estee Cohen is a heartwarming story that shows that every child's individuality is a gift. Their quirks and character traits, if nurtured rather than suppressed, become the foundation of who they are meant to be. Link to purchase the book here: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/miss-rose-is-worried-estee-cohen/1146818067
To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at [email protected]
To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor.
Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations
Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Sneak Peek & Sponsorship
02:25 Meet Devori Nussbaum
04:45 The Power of Real Human Presence
07:12 What Is Chassidus Meant to Do for the Human Psyche?
12:00 Finding the Balance Between Presence & Spiritual Aspiration
18:04 Embracing the Void: Turning Emotional Numbness into a Portal for Growth
21:15 Seeing Beneath the Surface of Reality
26:00 How Unprocessed Grief Blocks Our Heartsand How to Reopen Them
30:11 - The Role of Grief in Spiritual Growth
36:01 - Holy Honesty
38:00 Bringing G-d into Daily Life
44:53 - Navigating the Fear of Change
47:00 Regulating Your Nervous System
54:30 One Minute a Day: Building Presence in Busy Lives
1:02:15 Kavanah and Mitzvot: How One Moment Can Fill a Lifetime
1:07:30 Animal Soul vs. Divine Soul: A Compassionate Integration
1:12:00 Redefining Iskafya: Presence, Breath, and Spiritual Discipline
1:16:30 Choosing Growth vs. Chasing Perfection
1:29:10 - Crumbling into Grief
1:41:00 How to Navigate Religious Trauma
1:44:15 Parents, Fear, and Compassion: Reframing the Narrative
1:47:00 The Magic of Retreats
1:53:30 Personal Journey: From Control to Joy
1:57:05 Presence, Honesty, and Shedding the Snake Skin
1:59:00 Hosts Outro
A conversation with Devori Nussbaum, a psychotherapist and Tanya teacher, about emotional honesty in our spiritual growth and living with open-hearted presence. Devori shares her unique approach to integrating Chassidus and psychotherapy, offering powerful insights into shedding old identities, processing the grief of life, and tapping into the opportunity for connection with G-d at every moment.
Devori is an integrative psychotherapist who has trained in many different healing modalities including body psychotherapy, imago therapy, logotherapy, the energetics of food, quantum touch, breathwork, CBT, NLP, EMDR, IFS, inner child work and somatic modalities. She is also passionate about teaching Chassidus in a way that is accessible, relevant and embodied, showing people that these teachings are not just nice ideas, but a description of our reality. Get in touch with Devori and find out more about her work on www.devorinussbaum.com.
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EPISODE SPONSOR:
"Miss Rose is Worried" by Estee Cohen is a heartwarming story that shows that every child's individuality is a gift. Their quirks and character traits, if nurtured rather than suppressed, become the foundation of who they are meant to be. Link to purchase the book here: https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/miss-rose-is-worried-estee-cohen/1146818067
To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at [email protected]
To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor.
Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations
Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Sneak Peek & Sponsorship
02:25 Meet Devori Nussbaum
04:45 The Power of Real Human Presence
07:12 What Is Chassidus Meant to Do for the Human Psyche?
12:00 Finding the Balance Between Presence & Spiritual Aspiration
18:04 Embracing the Void: Turning Emotional Numbness into a Portal for Growth
21:15 Seeing Beneath the Surface of Reality
26:00 How Unprocessed Grief Blocks Our Heartsand How to Reopen Them
30:11 - The Role of Grief in Spiritual Growth
36:01 - Holy Honesty
38:00 Bringing G-d into Daily Life
44:53 - Navigating the Fear of Change
47:00 Regulating Your Nervous System
54:30 One Minute a Day: Building Presence in Busy Lives
1:02:15 Kavanah and Mitzvot: How One Moment Can Fill a Lifetime
1:07:30 Animal Soul vs. Divine Soul: A Compassionate Integration
1:12:00 Redefining Iskafya: Presence, Breath, and Spiritual Discipline
1:16:30 Choosing Growth vs. Chasing Perfection
1:29:10 - Crumbling into Grief
1:41:00 How to Navigate Religious Trauma
1:44:15 Parents, Fear, and Compassion: Reframing the Narrative
1:47:00 The Magic of Retreats
1:53:30 Personal Journey: From Control to Joy
1:57:05 Presence, Honesty, and Shedding the Snake Skin
The cost of undeveloped potential, the misguided instinct to protect our brightest lights, why Dinah felt an internal call to leave her home and lead, and why the world is waiting for women to trust and raise their own distinct voices.
Based on a talk of the Lubavitcher Rebbe about Dinah. Likkutei Sichos, Volume 35, Vayishlach Sicha 3.
Link to the episode with Rivky Kaplan: https://humanandholy.com/the-feminine-spirit-a-rising-force-rivky-kaplan
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To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at [email protected]
To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor.
Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations ✨
Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts.
The cost of undeveloped potential, the misguided instinct to protect our brightest lights, why Dinah felt an internal call to leave her home and lead, and why the world is waiting for women to trust and raise their own distinct voices.
Based on a talk of the Lubavitcher Rebbe about Dinah. Likkutei Sichos, Volume 35, Vayishlach Sicha 3.
Link to the episode with Rivky Kaplan: https://humanandholy.com/the-feminine-spirit-a-rising-force-rivky-kaplan
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To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at [email protected]
To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor.
Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations ✨
Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts.
We spend weeks leading up to Shavuot refining our characters. And then we receive G-d's Torah, which asks us to faithfully reflect the light of the Divine in this world.
Does the Torah mark a path to self development or self transcendence? What might it look like to be both surrendered and distinctly who we are?
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To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at [email protected]
To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor.
Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations ✨
Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - The Gift of the Torah
02:50 - Understanding Bitul: Reflecting the Divine
05:57 - The Interplay of Self-Development and Self-Transcendence
08:51 - The Role of Rosh Chodesh in Preparing for Receiving the Torah
12:04 - Naaseh v'Nishmah: Redefining Our Sense of Self
15:07 - Expanding, Not Shrinking
We spend weeks leading up to Shavuot refining our characters. And then we receive G-d's Torah, which asks us to faithfully reflect the light of the Divine in this world.
Does the Torah mark a path to self development or self transcendence? What might it look like to be both surrendered and distinctly who we are?
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To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at [email protected]
To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor.
Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations ✨
Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - The Gift of the Torah
02:50 - Understanding Bitul: Reflecting the Divine
05:57 - The Interplay of Self-Development and Self-Transcendence
08:51 - The Role of Rosh Chodesh in Preparing for Receiving the Torah
12:04 - Naaseh v'Nishmah: Redefining Our Sense of Self
15:07 - Expanding, Not Shrinking
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The Torah Didn't Always Feel Like Mine | Lauren Nagel, Devora Pinson & Chana Arnold
Hosts
Hosts of this podcast episode
Tonia Chazanow
Guests
Guests of this podcast episode
Lauren NagelDevora PinsonChana Arnold
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
TorahJewish wisdomChassidic wisdomwomen's TorahJudaismShavuosspiritualityrelationship with G-d
In honor of Shavuos, three women — Lauren Nagel, Devora Pinson, and Chana Arnold — sit down for a raw and honest conversation about receiving the Torah anew in our adult lives.
What are some of the things that have disconnected us from the Torah over the years? What are some of the things that have softened those blockages? And in what ways has the Torah become the greatest gift of our lives?
If you connected to something that was shared in this episode, let our generous guests know:
This episode is sponsored by Finds By Rivka. Think of Rivka’s finds as a personal shopper who sifts through the sale pages to find the best Tznius clothing deals! Join 3,000+ other women who are loving the group:
https://chat.whatsapp.com/LBOxmcsZin66u7brbOvx4l
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Babyccino is a Mommy & Me class curriculum designed to facilitate meaningful, Jewish experiences for mothers and babies. We can only receive the Torah that is given to us, and the Torah is given to children, first, by their mothers. Find out more here: www.babyccinoclass.com
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This episode is co-sponsored and dedicated with love by Riki to a special "Human & Holy" person, mother and friend, Miriam Frimet Bas Tzivia, upon her birthday. May it be a Zchus.
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To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at [email protected]
To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor.
Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations ✨
Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Sneak Peek
00:17 - Host's Intro
01:45 - Sponsorship Message: Finds by Rivka
03:03 - Meet the Guests: Devora, Chana, Lauren
05:18 - Spiritual Backgrounds
08:52 - I Needed More
12:10 - The Torah Feeds My Soul
16:34 - Choosing the Torah Again
17:50 - The Torah as a Tree of Life
19:58 - I Was Just Repeating What I Learned
22:55 - Real Learning Creates Space for Real Struggles
24:21 - Letting Go of Perfectionism
30:06 - I Lost Everything
32:28 - When I Began to Access Hashem
33:27 - Holding Pain & Faith Simultaneously
35:33 - I Am Not Alone
37:37 - A Real Relationship Welcomes Your Full Self
40:54 - What Do We Do With Our Freedom?
42:05 - The Torah Can't Be Done in Isolation
44:30 - I Skip to My Torah Classes
46:05 - From "I Have to" to "I Get To"
49:51 - Torah is an Overflowing Ocean
51:08 - Raising Kids with G-d Consciousness
54:01 - When You See the Light Shining in Other Women
54:37 - The Torah Shifted Me
56:22 - Investing in Our Relationship with G-d
58:24 - Shavuos as a Relationship Renewal
01:01:07 - Sharing Torah at the Table
01:01:44 - Beautifying Our Experience of the Torah
01:04:38 - Host's Outro
In honor of Shavuos, three women — Lauren Nagel, Devora Pinson, and Chana Arnold — sit down for a raw and honest conversation about receiving the Torah anew in our adult lives.
What are some of the things that have disconnected us from the Torah over the years? What are some of the things that have softened those blockages? And in what ways has the Torah become the greatest gift of our lives?
If you connected to something that was shared in this episode, let our generous guests know:
This episode is sponsored by Finds By Rivka. Think of Rivka’s finds as a personal shopper who sifts through the sale pages to find the best Tznius clothing deals! Join 3,000+ other women who are loving the group:
https://chat.whatsapp.com/LBOxmcsZin66u7brbOvx4l
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Babyccino is a Mommy & Me class curriculum designed to facilitate meaningful, Jewish experiences for mothers and babies. We can only receive the Torah that is given to us, and the Torah is given to children, first, by their mothers. Find out more here: www.babyccinoclass.com
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This episode is co-sponsored and dedicated with love by Riki to a special "Human & Holy" person, mother and friend, Miriam Frimet Bas Tzivia, upon her birthday. May it be a Zchus.
* * * * * * *
To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at [email protected]
To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor.
Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations ✨
Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - Sneak Peek
00:17 - Host's Intro
01:45 - Sponsorship Message: Finds by Rivka
03:03 - Meet the Guests: Devora, Chana, Lauren
05:18 - Spiritual Backgrounds
08:52 - I Needed More
12:10 - The Torah Feeds My Soul
16:34 - Choosing the Torah Again
17:50 - The Torah as a Tree of Life
19:58 - I Was Just Repeating What I Learned
22:55 - Real Learning Creates Space for Real Struggles
24:21 - Letting Go of Perfectionism
30:06 - I Lost Everything
32:28 - When I Began to Access Hashem
33:27 - Holding Pain & Faith Simultaneously
35:33 - I Am Not Alone
37:37 - A Real Relationship Welcomes Your Full Self
40:54 - What Do We Do With Our Freedom?
42:05 - The Torah Can't Be Done in Isolation
44:30 - I Skip to My Torah Classes
46:05 - From "I Have to" to "I Get To"
49:51 - Torah is an Overflowing Ocean
51:08 - Raising Kids with G-d Consciousness
54:01 - When You See the Light Shining in Other Women
54:37 - The Torah Shifted Me
56:22 - Investing in Our Relationship with G-d
58:24 - Shavuos as a Relationship Renewal
01:01:07 - Sharing Torah at the Table
01:01:44 - Beautifying Our Experience of the Torah
01:04:38 - Host's Outro
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