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Every week on the Ali on the Run Show, I talk with inspiring people who lead interesting lives on the run and beyond. And while running is what brings us all together, on these episodes, we're digging a little deeper. These conversations are about the decisions people have made to get where they are today, and how getting sweaty has factored in. Whether you’re on the run toward something great or away from something that’s holding you back, join me on this never-ending adventure, and let’s all pick up the pace together.
Every week on the Ali on the Run Show, I talk with inspiring people who lead interesting lives on the run and beyond. And while running is what brings us all together, on these episodes, we're digging a little deeper. These conversations are about the decisions people have made to get where they are today, and how getting sweaty has factored in. Whether you’re on the run toward something great or away from something that’s holding you back, join me on this never-ending adventure, and let’s all pick up the pace together.
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Des Linden is a highly accomplished distance runner, known for winning the 2018 Boston Marathon and being one of the most respected athletes in her field. She has transitioned from road racing to trail running and is now taking on pacing duties at the Western States Endurance Run.
Des Linden is a highly accomplished distance runner, known for winning the 2018 Boston Marathon and being one of the most respected athletes in her field. She has transitioned from road racing to trail running and is now taking on pacing duties at the Western States Endurance Run.
Kim Conley is a professional long-distance runner and Chair of the Long Distance Running Committee at USATF, known for her achievements in track and field.
Kim Conley is a professional long-distance runner and Chair of the Long Distance Running Committee at USATF, known for her achievements in track and field.
Phily Bowden is a UK-based professional marathoner who runs for On. She has a large following on YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram, sharing her training, race experiences, and insights into marathon running. She competed in the 2025 London Marathon and is known for her mental toughness and engaging content.
Phily Bowden is a UK-based professional marathoner who runs for On. She has a large following on YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram, sharing her training, race experiences, and insights into marathon running. She competed in the 2025 London Marathon and is known for her mental toughness and engaging content.
Emily Oster is an economist and best-selling author known for her work on decision-making and data analysis. She has gained recognition for her insights into health, parenting, and personal decision-making, often blending her expertise in economics with practical advice. Emily Oster has also become a passionate runner, recently completing the Boston Marathon and sharing her experiences and training journey on the show.
Emily Oster is an economist and best-selling author known for her work on decision-making and data analysis. She has gained recognition for her insights into health, parenting, and personal decision-making, often blending her expertise in economics with practical advice. Emily Oster has also become a passionate runner, recently completing the Boston Marathon and sharing her experiences and training journey on the show.
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I'm making videos about my journey as a professional marathon runner, with my partner in crime and partner in life, otherwise known as @DanielMoves
I keep it 100% real on here, what you see is what you get, and I'm here to take you on the ride wherever it takes me: highs, lows and parts not mentionable at the dinner table all included.
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814. Des Linden, Western States Endurance Run Pacer
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Ali on the Run Show
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Guests of this podcast episode
Des Linden
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distance runningmarathontrail runningWestern States Endurance Runpacingtraining campBoston Marathon
"Im laser focused. This is serious."
She's the 2018 Boston Marathon champion. She's the co-host of Nobody Asked Us with Des and Kara. She's one of the most admired, most accomplished, and most respected distance runners of our time, and now, Des is taking it to the trails. After running her final professional marathon in Boston in April, Des's next big adventure will be pacing friend Joe McConaughy at the Western States Endurance Run in just a few weeks. In this conversation, Des talks about what her pacing duties will entail, what training camp was like, and what's exciting her right now.
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In this episode:
What life has been like since the 2025 Boston Marathon Dess final professional marathon (2:25)
Will we see Des at the big fall marathons? (5:30)
Dess parting thoughts on the 2025 Boston Marathon (7:25)
Dess introduction to all things Western States (16:25)
The WSER pacing plan (21:15)
Which races are on Dess radar now (25:45)
How Des sees her role in the trail running community (27:00)
Dess pacing resum (29:20)
How much do you know about what that day pacing will look like? (35:35)
What Des is looking forward to most about Western States (41:15)
The athletes Des admires in the trail world (43:40)
The road racing athletes Des thinks we should all be watching (47:25)
Some of the key takeaways from Des and Kara Gouchers Save the 10,000 event including 1,800 people participating in the virtual event (51:10)
She's the 2018 Boston Marathon champion. She's the co-host of Nobody Asked Us with Des and Kara. She's one of the most admired, most accomplished, and most respected distance runners of our time, and now, Des is taking it to the trails. After running her final professional marathon in Boston in April, Des's next big adventure will be pacing friend Joe McConaughy at the Western States Endurance Run in just a few weeks. In this conversation, Des talks about what her pacing duties will entail, what training camp was like, and what's exciting her right now.
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In this episode:
What life has been like since the 2025 Boston Marathon Dess final professional marathon (2:25)
Will we see Des at the big fall marathons? (5:30)
Dess parting thoughts on the 2025 Boston Marathon (7:25)
Dess introduction to all things Western States (16:25)
The WSER pacing plan (21:15)
Which races are on Dess radar now (25:45)
How Des sees her role in the trail running community (27:00)
Dess pacing resum (29:20)
How much do you know about what that day pacing will look like? (35:35)
What Des is looking forward to most about Western States (41:15)
The athletes Des admires in the trail world (43:40)
The road racing athletes Des thinks we should all be watching (47:25)
Some of the key takeaways from Des and Kara Gouchers Save the 10,000 event including 1,800 people participating in the virtual event (51:10)
“This sucks, and it’s going to be hard, and this is very real. But that doesn’t mean we’re going to stop having fun along the way. So let’s have fun when it feels right.”
We're due for a catch-up.
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“This sucks, and it’s going to be hard, and this is very real. But that doesn’t mean we’re going to stop having fun along the way. So let’s have fun when it feels right.”
We're due for a catch-up.
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812. Everything You Need to Know About the 2028 U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials Standards
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Ali on the Run Show
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Kim ConleyConor Nickel
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2028 U.S. Olympic Marathon Trialsqualifying standardsmarathonOlympic qualificationUSATF
"They just want a chance to compete."
Yesterday, after much anticipation and speculation, USA Track & Field announced the changes to the qualifying times for the 2028 U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials. So, what's it going to take to OTQ leading up to LA 2028, and to get to run at the Trials? For women, the qualifying mark stays the same: 2:37:00. On the men's side, things are getting faster: Men will now need to run 2:16:00 to qualify — a full two minutes faster than the qualifying time for the 2024 Trials. In this episode, USATF's Chairs of the Long Distance Running Committee — Kim Conley and Conor Nickel — join the show to explain what what into making these decisions, and what they mean for athletes and fans alike. (Read the full USATF release here.)
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Yesterday, after much anticipation and speculation, USA Track & Field announced the changes to the qualifying times for the 2028 U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials. So, what's it going to take to OTQ leading up to LA 2028, and to get to run at the Trials? For women, the qualifying mark stays the same: 2:37:00. On the men's side, things are getting faster: Men will now need to run 2:16:00 to qualify — a full two minutes faster than the qualifying time for the 2024 Trials. In this episode, USATF's Chairs of the Long Distance Running Committee — Kim Conley and Conor Nickel — join the show to explain what what into making these decisions, and what they mean for athletes and fans alike. (Read the full USATF release here.)
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London Marathonmarathon runningsports psychologycontent creationrace daytrainingmental fortitudeheatrace strategy
"You just need to chill a little bit!"
Phily Bowden has a massive following. Whether it's on YouTube, TikTok, or Instagram, there are hundreds of thousands of people watching — and applauding — Phily's every training run, start line, and finish line. The 2:25 UK-based marathoner runs professionally for On, and as she always says, she loves the grind. In this conversation, Phily talks about her experience at the 2025 London Marathon, where she may not have hit her time goal (she hoped for 2:23–2:24, and ran 2:30) but left London with an admirable perspective and some serious mental fortitude.
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In this episode:
All about Phily’s workout today (2:00)
How Phily’s feeling post-London (4:40)
How Phily processes her races (5:45)
Phily’s experience working with a sports psychologist (7:35)
Phily's relationship with her coach, Jon Green (9:45)
What’s next on the run for Phily? (11:15)
What Phily’s London Marathon weekend was like (13:55)
Phily’s London Marathon race morning (19:30)
The pros and cons of being a content creator on race day (23:50)
Phily’s relationship with fellow pro Molly Seidel, and how she feels about the Flagstaff running community (25:30)
How it felt standing on the London Marathon start line (30:35)
Phily breaks down the first few miles of the race (33:25)
All about that London heat (40:20)
The final 5K (46:20)
What it felt like to cross the London Marathon finish line, and Phily’s post-race takeaways (48:30)
On growing up as a “cheeky child” (53:40)
When Phily knew she could make it as a content creator, and her take on influencer responsibility (57:10)
How Phily got her non-running partner, Daniel, to become a runner! (1:02:45)
Phily Bowden has a massive following. Whether it's on YouTube, TikTok, or Instagram, there are hundreds of thousands of people watching — and applauding — Phily's every training run, start line, and finish line. The 2:25 UK-based marathoner runs professionally for On, and as she always says, she loves the grind. In this conversation, Phily talks about her experience at the 2025 London Marathon, where she may not have hit her time goal (she hoped for 2:23–2:24, and ran 2:30) but left London with an admirable perspective and some serious mental fortitude.
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In this episode:
All about Phily’s workout today (2:00)
How Phily’s feeling post-London (4:40)
How Phily processes her races (5:45)
Phily’s experience working with a sports psychologist (7:35)
Phily's relationship with her coach, Jon Green (9:45)
What’s next on the run for Phily? (11:15)
What Phily’s London Marathon weekend was like (13:55)
Phily’s London Marathon race morning (19:30)
The pros and cons of being a content creator on race day (23:50)
Phily’s relationship with fellow pro Molly Seidel, and how she feels about the Flagstaff running community (25:30)
How it felt standing on the London Marathon start line (30:35)
Phily breaks down the first few miles of the race (33:25)
All about that London heat (40:20)
The final 5K (46:20)
What it felt like to cross the London Marathon finish line, and Phily’s post-race takeaways (48:30)
On growing up as a “cheeky child” (53:40)
When Phily knew she could make it as a content creator, and her take on influencer responsibility (57:10)
How Phily got her non-running partner, Daniel, to become a runner! (1:02:45)
Boston Marathonmarathon trainingrunningrace dayNewton hillsBoston Qualifying timemarathon experience
"There’s this sense of all these people, they came out to watch you do this weird, crazy thing. And you’re running toward the thing you’ve been working toward for many months, and all of these people are behind you, and people beside you trying to do the same thing. It’s very special."
First, Emily Oster started running. Then she started running fast. Then she ran a marathon: the California International Marathon in 2023, where she finished in a Boston Qualifying time of 3:17:39. Now, Emily is officially a Boston Marathoner, having completed this year's race in a personal best time of 3:14:53. In this episode, the economist and best-selling author breaks it all down, including what her training was like this time around, what the energy in the city felt like for a first-time Boston Marathoner, and why she briefly considered calling it quits at mile 23.
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In this episode:
Emily’s snapshot moment from the 2025 Boston Marathon (3:30)
How Emily has been feeling since Boston (5:00)
Emily’s road to the Boston Marathon, via CIM (6:00)
Emily’s impression of Boston (10:15)
On hard work, genetics, and human limits (12:30)
Emily’s experience training through an icy New England winter, and how this training cycle was different from CIM 2023 (17:30)
Emily’s relationship with coach Kaitlin Goodman (20:20)
The race plan (23:45)
Emily’s Boston Marathon weekend plans (24:25)
How Emily was feeling on race morning, and the journey to the start line (35:20)
The start line energy (38:35)
Emily’s “very specific chunking plan” (40:55)
What it was like starting to run the Boston Marathon (44:00)
Emily’s take on the Newton hills (50:20)
“That was the moment where I was like, I am not feeling good, I can’t believe there are more miles” (53:00)
Right on Hereford, left on Boylston (56:25)
Now what? (1:00:45)
What’s dominating Emily’s inbox these days? (1:04:55)
"There’s this sense of all these people, they came out to watch you do this weird, crazy thing. And you’re running toward the thing you’ve been working toward for many months, and all of these people are behind you, and people beside you trying to do the same thing. It’s very special."
First, Emily Oster started running. Then she started running fast. Then she ran a marathon: the California International Marathon in 2023, where she finished in a Boston Qualifying time of 3:17:39. Now, Emily is officially a Boston Marathoner, having completed this year's race in a personal best time of 3:14:53. In this episode, the economist and best-selling author breaks it all down, including what her training was like this time around, what the energy in the city felt like for a first-time Boston Marathoner, and why she briefly considered calling it quits at mile 23.
SPONSOR:
UCAN's MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND SALE: Click here to get a FREE UCAN training sample pack (you’ll just pay the cost of shipping), and use code ALI for 30% off your UCAN order from now until May 26!
In this episode:
Emily’s snapshot moment from the 2025 Boston Marathon (3:30)
How Emily has been feeling since Boston (5:00)
Emily’s road to the Boston Marathon, via CIM (6:00)
Emily’s impression of Boston (10:15)
On hard work, genetics, and human limits (12:30)
Emily’s experience training through an icy New England winter, and how this training cycle was different from CIM 2023 (17:30)
Emily’s relationship with coach Kaitlin Goodman (20:20)
The race plan (23:45)
Emily’s Boston Marathon weekend plans (24:25)
How Emily was feeling on race morning, and the journey to the start line (35:20)
The start line energy (38:35)
Emily’s “very specific chunking plan” (40:55)
What it was like starting to run the Boston Marathon (44:00)
Emily’s take on the Newton hills (50:20)
“That was the moment where I was like, I am not feeling good, I can’t believe there are more miles” (53:00)
Right on Hereford, left on Boylston (56:25)
Now what? (1:00:45)
What’s dominating Emily’s inbox these days? (1:04:55)