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Join Meade and Christy, two retired-over-drinkers turned freedom-from-alcohol coaches, as they explore all of the stories that kept them stuck in the nightly over-drinking cycle, including but certainly not limited to "But Jesus drank wine?"
If you're looking for two Christian women who get real about how wine held them back and explore tricky questions about drinking (and beyond!) with grace, compassion, and zero judgment, this is the podcast for you.
Join Meade and Christy, two retired-over-drinkers turned freedom-from-alcohol coaches, as they explore all of the stories that kept them stuck in the nightly over-drinking cycle, including but certainly not limited to "But Jesus drank wine?"
If you're looking for two Christian women who get real about how wine held them back and explore tricky questions about drinking (and beyond!) with grace, compassion, and zero judgment, this is the podcast for you.
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David Walters is a pastor and biblical scholar who joins the podcast as a guest to discuss scriptural perspectives on wine and drinking, and to explore spiritual truths related to alcohol and idols.
David Walters is a pastor and biblical scholar who joins the podcast as a guest to discuss scriptural perspectives on wine and drinking, and to explore spiritual truths related to alcohol and idols.
Blake Roberts is a licensed therapist, co-founder of The Three Percent Co., and a man of faith. He specializes in men's emotional health, vulnerability, and spiritual healing, and is a returning guest on the podcast.
Blake Roberts is a licensed therapist, co-founder of The Three Percent Co., and a man of faith. He specializes in men's emotional health, vulnerability, and spiritual healing, and is a returning guest on the podcast.
Jamie Haigh is a licensed therapist, co-founder of The Three Percent Co., and a woman of faith. She focuses on helping women understand and support the men in their lives, emphasizing emotional and spiritual wholeness.
Jamie Haigh is a licensed therapist, co-founder of The Three Percent Co., and a woman of faith. She focuses on helping women understand and support the men in their lives, emphasizing emotional and spiritual wholeness.
Dr. Lee Warren is a neurosurgeon, author, and podcast host known for integrating neuroscience and faith in his teachings. He hosts the 'Self-Brain Surgery' and 'Spiritual Brain Surgery' podcasts, where he discusses how to harness neuroplasticity and spiritual principles to overcome challenges, including addiction and destructive patterns. Dr. Warren's work emphasizes the power of changing one's mind to transform life, grounded in both scientific understanding and biblical scripture.
Dr. Lee Warren is a neurosurgeon, author, and podcast host known for integrating neuroscience and faith in his teachings. He hosts the 'Self-Brain Surgery' and 'Spiritual Brain Surgery' podcasts, where he discusses how to harness neuroplasticity and spiritual principles to overcome challenges, including addiction and destructive patterns. Dr. Warren's work emphasizes the power of changing one's mind to transform life, grounded in both scientific understanding and biblical scripture.
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Join Meade and Christy, two retired-over-drinkers turned freedom-from-alcohol coaches, as they explore all of the stories that kept them stuck in the nightly over-drinking cycle, including but certainly not limited to "But Jesus drank wine?"
If you're looking for two Christian women who get real about how wine held them back and explore tricky questions about drinking (and beyond!) with grace, compassion, and zero judgment, this is the podcast for you.
Today we tackle a topic that hits close to home for many women of faith: Has wine—or any other comfort—become more important than your relationship with God?
Using a biblical lens, they explore the concept of idolatry: anything that takes up too much of our time, energy, money, or mental space—ultimately distracting us from intimacy with Jesus. While idolatry may sound like an Old Testament word, the truth is, modern-day idols are everywhere. And for many of us, alcohol quietly takes up far more space than we realize.
We share personal experiences and spiritual insights into how alcohol once affected our own walks with God—and how letting it go made space for peace, presence, and purpose. We also walk listeners through introspective questions and journal prompts designed to help you examine your own relationship with alcohol with grace, curiosity, and truth.
If you’ve ever wondered why alcohol feels so important—or if life without it might feel more aligned with the life God has for you—this episode will guide you gently but boldly toward freedom.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
What idolatry looks like in the modern world—and how alcohol fits in
How to identify when something has taken God’s place in your heart or habits
The spiritual, emotional, and relational costs of holding on to alcohol
Why curiosity and compassion matter more than shame in this process
How to take the next step toward freedom, one brave question at a time
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
Today we tackle a topic that hits close to home for many women of faith: Has wine—or any other comfort—become more important than your relationship with God?
Using a biblical lens, they explore the concept of idolatry: anything that takes up too much of our time, energy, money, or mental space—ultimately distracting us from intimacy with Jesus. While idolatry may sound like an Old Testament word, the truth is, modern-day idols are everywhere. And for many of us, alcohol quietly takes up far more space than we realize.
We share personal experiences and spiritual insights into how alcohol once affected our own walks with God—and how letting it go made space for peace, presence, and purpose. We also walk listeners through introspective questions and journal prompts designed to help you examine your own relationship with alcohol with grace, curiosity, and truth.
If you’ve ever wondered why alcohol feels so important—or if life without it might feel more aligned with the life God has for you—this episode will guide you gently but boldly toward freedom.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
What idolatry looks like in the modern world—and how alcohol fits in
How to identify when something has taken God’s place in your heart or habits
The spiritual, emotional, and relational costs of holding on to alcohol
Why curiosity and compassion matter more than shame in this process
How to take the next step toward freedom, one brave question at a time
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
We’re re-releasing one of our most popular episodes—Episode 13: Did Jesus Drink Wine? With Pastor David—because some truths are worth hearing twice. Or ten times.
This episode gets to the heart of a phrase many of us used to justify the habit: “But Jesus drank wine.” It’s not just the name of our podcast—it was a story that kept us stuck in a nightly-ish drinking cycle.
So today, join us in the studio as they welcome a very special guest: Meade’s pastor, David Walters, who joins us as our resident biblical scholar to tackle the burning question:
Did Jesus really drink wine—and does it matter?
David bravely and graciously unpacks this question and so many more, including:
What does Scripture actually say about wine and drinking?
What does it mean to “take our thoughts captive”?
Why is the heart mentioned over 800 times in the Bible—and what does that have to do with the lies we believe?
What are false idols, and how do they relate to alcohol or anything else we turn to for comfort?
How do we uncover the deeper truth beneath the stories that keep us stuck?
And yes… what do kids and CrossFit have to do with any of this?
This episode is packed with spiritual depth, practical wisdom, and powerful applications for anyone on the journey to freedom—from alcohol, or anything else taking up too much space in your life.
And don’t miss the end of the episode—this week’s “tiny TINA” might just be the most brilliant yet.
Whether you’re new to the pod or you’ve heard this one before, hit play with fresh ears. Because this might be the replay your heart needs right now.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
We’re re-releasing one of our most popular episodes—Episode 13: Did Jesus Drink Wine? With Pastor David—because some truths are worth hearing twice. Or ten times.
This episode gets to the heart of a phrase many of us used to justify the habit: “But Jesus drank wine.” It’s not just the name of our podcast—it was a story that kept us stuck in a nightly-ish drinking cycle.
So today, join us in the studio as they welcome a very special guest: Meade’s pastor, David Walters, who joins us as our resident biblical scholar to tackle the burning question:
Did Jesus really drink wine—and does it matter?
David bravely and graciously unpacks this question and so many more, including:
What does Scripture actually say about wine and drinking?
What does it mean to “take our thoughts captive”?
Why is the heart mentioned over 800 times in the Bible—and what does that have to do with the lies we believe?
What are false idols, and how do they relate to alcohol or anything else we turn to for comfort?
How do we uncover the deeper truth beneath the stories that keep us stuck?
And yes… what do kids and CrossFit have to do with any of this?
This episode is packed with spiritual depth, practical wisdom, and powerful applications for anyone on the journey to freedom—from alcohol, or anything else taking up too much space in your life.
And don’t miss the end of the episode—this week’s “tiny TINA” might just be the most brilliant yet.
Whether you’re new to the pod or you’ve heard this one before, hit play with fresh ears. Because this might be the replay your heart needs right now.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
In this honest and insightful episode, we’re joined by Blake Roberts (a returning guest!) and Jamie Haigh, founders of The Three Percent Co. and hosts of The 3% Podcast. Both licensed therapists and men of faith, Blake and Jamie share their personal and professional perspective on what’s really going on inside the hearts and minds of men—and how women can walk with their husbands as they move toward emotional and spiritual wholeness.
Together, they unpack the idea behind The 3%: a challenge for men to show up with just 3% more honesty than they currently are. Because for many men, even a small increase in vulnerability can be completely life-changing.
As they open up about their own stories and the work they do with men every day, we talk about why so many men shut down emotionally, how generational patterns contribute to silence and shame, and why faith is central to healing.
Most importantly, Blake and Jamie offer practical, compassionate insight for women who want to better understand and support the men in their lives—without fixing, forcing, or losing themselves in the process.
If you're married to a man who struggles to open up, raising sons, or just wondering how to better understand what he’s feeling but not saying—this episode will give you hope, tools, and a new perspective.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
Why so many men struggle with vulnerability—and how it starts
What The 3% Rule is and why it matters more than you think
How safe, connected relationships help men open up and heal
The role of faith in emotional transformation
Practical ways to support a man without rescuing or pressuring him
How to foster honest conversations and emotional growth in your home
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
In this honest and insightful episode, we’re joined by Blake Roberts (a returning guest!) and Jamie Haigh, founders of The Three Percent Co. and hosts of The 3% Podcast. Both licensed therapists and men of faith, Blake and Jamie share their personal and professional perspective on what’s really going on inside the hearts and minds of men—and how women can walk with their husbands as they move toward emotional and spiritual wholeness.
Together, they unpack the idea behind The 3%: a challenge for men to show up with just 3% more honesty than they currently are. Because for many men, even a small increase in vulnerability can be completely life-changing.
As they open up about their own stories and the work they do with men every day, we talk about why so many men shut down emotionally, how generational patterns contribute to silence and shame, and why faith is central to healing.
Most importantly, Blake and Jamie offer practical, compassionate insight for women who want to better understand and support the men in their lives—without fixing, forcing, or losing themselves in the process.
If you're married to a man who struggles to open up, raising sons, or just wondering how to better understand what he’s feeling but not saying—this episode will give you hope, tools, and a new perspective.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
Why so many men struggle with vulnerability—and how it starts
What The 3% Rule is and why it matters more than you think
How safe, connected relationships help men open up and heal
The role of faith in emotional transformation
Practical ways to support a man without rescuing or pressuring him
How to foster honest conversations and emotional growth in your home
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
In this episode, we continue our deep dive into Dr. Lee Warren’s 10 Commandments of Self-Brain Surgery, focusing on commandments 6 through 10. As freedom-from-alcohol coaches, we share how these powerful principles shape our approach to helping women break free from the overdrinking cycle.
From prioritizing long-term well-being to understanding the transformative power of thoughts, we explore actionable steps—what we like to call Tiny Tinas—to help you take practical steps toward change.
Throughout the conversation, we offer personal anecdotes, real-world applications, and insights on how to overcome the immediate discomfort that often comes with transformation.
This episode is packed with advice for anyone looking to rewrite their story, not just in terms of addiction, but in breaking generational patterns, celebrating progress, and renewing your mind.
Commandments 6-10:
6️⃣ I Must Love Tomorrow More Than I Hate How I Feel Right Now Hope is the key that pulls us forward. We talk about how focusing on the possibilities ahead can change your outlook on today’s temporary discomfort, helping you take action toward a brighter future.
7️⃣ I Must Stop Making an Operation Out of Everything Life is hard, but not every challenge requires drastic measures. We discuss the importance of choosing humor, forgiveness, and simply moving forward—without making everything a major operation.
8️⃣ I Must Not Perpetuate—or Start—Harmful Generational Thought or Behavioral Issues in My Life or Family This is a game-changing commandment. It’s all about breaking the cycle. You don’t have to pass on trauma, shame, addiction, or fear. We explore how you can rewrite your family’s story by making changes in your own life and actions.
9️⃣ I Must Believe That I’m Getting Better at What I’m Doing Growth is a fact, not a feeling. In this section, we dive into how consistency in doing the work—no matter how invisible it seems at first—leads to tangible growth. Trusting the process is key, even when progress feels slow.
🔟 I Must Understand That Thoughts Become Things Your thoughts are powerful. We discuss how focusing on what you want to create in your life can literally rewire your brain. When you start imagining a better life, you open the door to greater possibilities. As Scripture says, "God is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all we ask or imagine" (Ephesians 3:20). It’s time to imagine the life you want.
Key Takeaways:
How to prioritize long-term well-being over short-term discomfort in the journey to freedom
The importance of not overcomplicating life and learning to move on with grace
Breaking harmful generational patterns and choosing a new path for yourself and your family
Recognizing that growth is happening even when it’s not immediately visible
The power of focusing on positive thoughts to reshape your reality
Scripture Reference:
Ephesians 3:20 – "Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us."
As we wrap up these commandments, we invite you to join our community of women committed to freedom from alcohol, using both neuroscience and faith to break free. And don’t forget to check out my book, Love Life Sober, where I dive even deeper into the principles we’ve discussed here.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
In this episode, we continue our deep dive into Dr. Lee Warren’s 10 Commandments of Self-Brain Surgery, focusing on commandments 6 through 10. As freedom-from-alcohol coaches, we share how these powerful principles shape our approach to helping women break free from the overdrinking cycle.
From prioritizing long-term well-being to understanding the transformative power of thoughts, we explore actionable steps—what we like to call Tiny Tinas—to help you take practical steps toward change.
Throughout the conversation, we offer personal anecdotes, real-world applications, and insights on how to overcome the immediate discomfort that often comes with transformation.
This episode is packed with advice for anyone looking to rewrite their story, not just in terms of addiction, but in breaking generational patterns, celebrating progress, and renewing your mind.
Commandments 6-10:
6️⃣ I Must Love Tomorrow More Than I Hate How I Feel Right Now Hope is the key that pulls us forward. We talk about how focusing on the possibilities ahead can change your outlook on today’s temporary discomfort, helping you take action toward a brighter future.
7️⃣ I Must Stop Making an Operation Out of Everything Life is hard, but not every challenge requires drastic measures. We discuss the importance of choosing humor, forgiveness, and simply moving forward—without making everything a major operation.
8️⃣ I Must Not Perpetuate—or Start—Harmful Generational Thought or Behavioral Issues in My Life or Family This is a game-changing commandment. It’s all about breaking the cycle. You don’t have to pass on trauma, shame, addiction, or fear. We explore how you can rewrite your family’s story by making changes in your own life and actions.
9️⃣ I Must Believe That I’m Getting Better at What I’m Doing Growth is a fact, not a feeling. In this section, we dive into how consistency in doing the work—no matter how invisible it seems at first—leads to tangible growth. Trusting the process is key, even when progress feels slow.
🔟 I Must Understand That Thoughts Become Things Your thoughts are powerful. We discuss how focusing on what you want to create in your life can literally rewire your brain. When you start imagining a better life, you open the door to greater possibilities. As Scripture says, "God is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all we ask or imagine" (Ephesians 3:20). It’s time to imagine the life you want.
Key Takeaways:
How to prioritize long-term well-being over short-term discomfort in the journey to freedom
The importance of not overcomplicating life and learning to move on with grace
Breaking harmful generational patterns and choosing a new path for yourself and your family
Recognizing that growth is happening even when it’s not immediately visible
The power of focusing on positive thoughts to reshape your reality
Scripture Reference:
Ephesians 3:20 – "Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us."
As we wrap up these commandments, we invite you to join our community of women committed to freedom from alcohol, using both neuroscience and faith to break free. And don’t forget to check out my book, Love Life Sober, where I dive even deeper into the principles we’ve discussed here.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
In this special episode, we got to guest-host Dr. Lee Warren’s Spiritual Self-Brain Surgery podcast to discuss the first five of his 10 Commandments of Self-Brain Surgery—powerful principles that combine neuroscience and faith to help you overcome challenges and break free from the destructive patterns in your life, including alcohol use.
We dive into the intersection of neuroscience and spirituality, sharing how you can take charge of your thoughts, emotions, and actions to create lasting transformation. Using Dr. Lee's commandments as a guide, we explore how you can change your brain by changing your mind.
Commandments 1-5:
1️⃣ I Must Relentlessly Refuse to Participate in My Own Demise You're either building your brain—or breaking it. Every thought, feeling, belief, and action either propels you forward or holds you hostage. This commandment emphasizes the choice to embrace life with each decision, fostering a mindset of resilience and growth.
2️⃣ I Must Believe That Feelings Are Not Facts; They Are Chemical Events in My Brain Emotions are signals, not truths. They’re data, not destiny. We discuss how to honor your feelings without being controlled by them, and how to act on what’s true, even when your emotions are telling you something different.
3️⃣ I Must Believe That Most of My Automatic Thoughts Are Untrue Your brain’s default mode is not designed for joy or truth; it’s built for survival. This means that many of your automatic thoughts are unreliable. We dive into how to challenge these thoughts and train your brain to align with your true mind—moving from survival mode to thriving.
4️⃣ I Must Believe That My Mind Is in Charge of My Brain This is a game-changer. You’re not a victim of your neurochemistry. You can actually change it. We explore how taking control of your mind allows you to access hope, healing, and peace. Mind-over-brain is key to lasting transformation.
5️⃣ I Must Believe That Self–Brain Surgery Is Not a Metaphor; It is the Mechanism of Transforming My Life Self-brain surgery is real—it’s not just a metaphor. Your thoughts are like a scalpel that can cut out toxic patterns and implant healthier ones. This principle is grounded in neuroplasticity and aligns with biblical renewal (Romans 12:2). We share how this concept works in both science and Scripture.
Key Takeaways:
How to stop sabotaging your own growth and choose life with every thought and action
Why emotions are signals, not truths, and how to process them without letting them control you
The importance of challenging automatic thoughts and rewiring your brain for joy and truth
Understanding mind-over-brain control and its impact on your life
The power of self-brain surgery and how it leads to true transformation
Scripture Reference:
Romans 12:2 – "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind."
We hope this episode inspires you to take charge of your thoughts and actions, and ultimately, to live a life free from the destructive patterns that hold you back. Join us next week as we continue with the next five commandments of self-brain surgery.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
In this special episode, we got to guest-host Dr. Lee Warren’s Spiritual Self-Brain Surgery podcast to discuss the first five of his 10 Commandments of Self-Brain Surgery—powerful principles that combine neuroscience and faith to help you overcome challenges and break free from the destructive patterns in your life, including alcohol use.
We dive into the intersection of neuroscience and spirituality, sharing how you can take charge of your thoughts, emotions, and actions to create lasting transformation. Using Dr. Lee's commandments as a guide, we explore how you can change your brain by changing your mind.
Commandments 1-5:
1️⃣ I Must Relentlessly Refuse to Participate in My Own Demise You're either building your brain—or breaking it. Every thought, feeling, belief, and action either propels you forward or holds you hostage. This commandment emphasizes the choice to embrace life with each decision, fostering a mindset of resilience and growth.
2️⃣ I Must Believe That Feelings Are Not Facts; They Are Chemical Events in My Brain Emotions are signals, not truths. They’re data, not destiny. We discuss how to honor your feelings without being controlled by them, and how to act on what’s true, even when your emotions are telling you something different.
3️⃣ I Must Believe That Most of My Automatic Thoughts Are Untrue Your brain’s default mode is not designed for joy or truth; it’s built for survival. This means that many of your automatic thoughts are unreliable. We dive into how to challenge these thoughts and train your brain to align with your true mind—moving from survival mode to thriving.
4️⃣ I Must Believe That My Mind Is in Charge of My Brain This is a game-changer. You’re not a victim of your neurochemistry. You can actually change it. We explore how taking control of your mind allows you to access hope, healing, and peace. Mind-over-brain is key to lasting transformation.
5️⃣ I Must Believe That Self–Brain Surgery Is Not a Metaphor; It is the Mechanism of Transforming My Life Self-brain surgery is real—it’s not just a metaphor. Your thoughts are like a scalpel that can cut out toxic patterns and implant healthier ones. This principle is grounded in neuroplasticity and aligns with biblical renewal (Romans 12:2). We share how this concept works in both science and Scripture.
Key Takeaways:
How to stop sabotaging your own growth and choose life with every thought and action
Why emotions are signals, not truths, and how to process them without letting them control you
The importance of challenging automatic thoughts and rewiring your brain for joy and truth
Understanding mind-over-brain control and its impact on your life
The power of self-brain surgery and how it leads to true transformation
Scripture Reference:
Romans 12:2 – "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind."
We hope this episode inspires you to take charge of your thoughts and actions, and ultimately, to live a life free from the destructive patterns that hold you back. Join us next week as we continue with the next five commandments of self-brain surgery.
The creators, hosts, and producers of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast are not healthcare practitioners and therefore do not give medical, psychological or professional advice nor do they intend for the podcast, any communication on behalf of BJDW or otherwise to be a substitute for such. Additionally, the views and opinions expressed in any mention of and/or linked resources are those of the authors/owners of those resources and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of the But Jesus Drank Wine podcast team or guests of the show.
