Reclamation Radio with Kelly Brogan MD Podcast

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112: The Fastest Way to Get Unstuck & Stop Procrastination, Even Without Motivation | Britt Frank

June 10, 2025

Kelly Brogan MD

Britt Frank

stuckness motivation trauma avoidance procrastination codependency addiction nervous system self-sabotage change

Learn more about Dr. Kelly Brogan's signature health protocol, Vital Mind Reset here.

"You dont need motivation to changejust a lemon and a willingness to get weird."

In this episode, Kelly sits down with Britt Franklicensed neuropsychotherapist, trauma educator, and author of The Science of Stuckto unravel one of the most misunderstood inner states: stuckness. With raw honesty and sharp humor, Britt dismantles the myths around motivation, trauma, and change, showing us that what looks like inertia is often a disguised survival strategy.

Youll learn why most people arent actually stucktheyre just allergic to their available options. Britt dives deep into the psychological mechanics behind avoidance, procrastination, codependency, addiction (including addiction to people), and the quiet chaos of a fine life thats missing fire. Expect mind-blowing takes on why motivation is overrated, how biting a lemon can rewire your nervous system in real-time, and why your bad behaviors might just be keeping you safe. If youre ready to get out of your own way, this episode is your wake-up call.

Youll Learn:

How micro-yeses create momentum and override paralysis
Why I have no choices is usually a perception problem, not a reality
How biting a lemon can disrupt procrastination by shocking your nervous system
How to reframe Im stuck as a sign of hidden benefits, not just dysfunction
Why motivation is not a prerequisite for actionand what to rely on instead
How to identify the real payoff behind self-sabotaging behaviors
What shutting down desire signals about nervous system regulation
Why boredom and numbness can be harder to escape than rock bottom

Timestamps:

[00:00] Introduction

[00:45] Why feeling stuck is the root of suffering

[01:32] How addiction to people can mask as relationship issues

[02:06] Motivation is not required for change

[03:01] Why therapists often professionalize their own trauma

[04:15] What stuckness actually means

[05:24] Why saying I have no choices is often a lie

[07:11] How to spot micro-choices even in extreme situations

[09:28] Why wondering is more effective than figuring out why

[13:45] How to recognize invisible choices

[15:08] What keeps people in harmful but familiar patterns

[16:52] The right time to explore your hidden motivations

[18:25] Why morality-based thinking keeps you stuck

[20:12] Why some people feel nothing at alland how to move anyway

[24:06] Why a step in the wrong direction is still progress

[26:36] Youre always motivatedjust not how you think

[28:56] Parts work as a strategy for inner leadership

[30:34] How to coach your inner parts instead of bulldozing them

[33:00] How pathologizing bad parts keeps you fragmented

[35:08] Symptoms are messengers, not malfunctions

[37:03] All behavior is functionaleven the destructive ones

[41:17] The shift from pathology to injury-based thinking

[43:03] The value of having a pause between trigger and action

[45:12] Why internal structure matters more than symptom elimination

[51:13] Getting hooked on the highs and lows of chaos

[53:00] Pattern disruption as the key to change

[54:21] Why pattern breaks create choice windows

Want to start a podcast like this one? Book your free podcast planning call here

Resources Mentioned:

The Science of Stuck by Britt Frank | Book or Audiobook

Align Your Mind by Britt Frank | Book or Audiobook

Internal Family Systems (IFS) by Dr. Richard Schwartz | Website

Sonic Slider by Biofield Tuning | Website

Get Britt's newest book, Align Your Mind, here. You can also connect with her on her website and her Instagram.

Find more from Kelly:

Instagram: @kellybroganmd

Website: kellybroganmd.com

Join Kelly's monthly membership, Vital Life Project here.

Get Kellys new book The Reclaimed Woman here and join the companion program, Reclaimed, here.

Use code KELLYBROGAN at biofieldtuningstore.com for 15% off your first purchase. Not valid during sales. Exclusions apply.

Learn more about Dr. Kelly Brogan's signature health protocol, Vital Mind Reset here.

"You dont need motivation to changejust a lemon and a willingness to get weird."

In this episode, Kelly sits down with Britt Franklicensed neuropsychotherapist, trauma educator, and author of The Science of Stuckto unravel one of the most misunderstood inner states: stuckness. With raw honesty and sharp humor, Britt dismantles the myths around motivation, trauma, and change, showing us that what looks like inertia is often a disguised survival strategy.

Youll learn why most people arent actually stucktheyre just allergic to their available options. Britt dives deep into the psychological mechanics behind avoidance, procrastination, codependency, addiction (including addiction to people), and the quiet chaos of a fine life thats missing fire. Expect mind-blowing takes on why motivation is overrated, how biting a lemon can rewire your nervous system in real-time, and why your bad behaviors might just be keeping you safe. If youre ready to get out of your own way, this episode is your wake-up call.

Youll Learn:

How micro-yeses create momentum and override paralysis
Why I have no choices is usually a perception problem, not a reality
How biting a lemon can disrupt procrastination by shocking your nervous system
How to reframe Im stuck as a sign of hidden benefits, not just dysfunction
Why motivation is not a prerequisite for actionand what to rely on instead
How to identify the real payoff behind self-sabotaging behaviors
What shutting down desire signals about nervous system regulation
Why boredom and numbness can be harder to escape than rock bottom

Timestamps:

[00:00] Introduction

[00:45] Why feeling stuck is the root of suffering

[01:32] How addiction to people can mask as relationship issues

[02:06] Motivation is not required for change

[03:01] Why therapists often professionalize their own trauma

[04:15] What stuckness actually means

[05:24] Why saying I have no choices is often a lie

[07:11] How to spot micro-choices even in extreme situations

[09:28] Why wondering is more effective than figuring out why

[13:45] How to recognize invisible choices

[15:08] What keeps people in harmful but familiar patterns

[16:52] The right time to explore your hidden motivations

[18:25] Why morality-based thinking keeps you stuck

[20:12] Why some people feel nothing at alland how to move anyway

[24:06] Why a step in the wrong direction is still progress

[26:36] Youre always motivatedjust not how you think

[28:56] Parts work as a strategy for inner leadership

[30:34] How to coach your inner parts instead of bulldozing them

[33:00] How pathologizing bad parts keeps you fragmented

[35:08] Symptoms are messengers, not malfunctions

[37:03] All behavior is functionaleven the destructive ones

[41:17] The shift from pathology to injury-based thinking

[43:03] The value of having a pause between trigger and action

[45:12] Why internal structure matters more than symptom elimination

[51:13] Getting hooked on the highs and lows of chaos

[53:00] Pattern disruption as the key to change

[54:21] Why pattern breaks create choice windows

Want to start a podcast like this one? Book your free podcast planning call here

Resources Mentioned:

The Science of Stuck by Britt Frank | Book or Audiobook

Align Your Mind by Britt Frank | Book or Audiobook

Internal Family Systems (IFS) by Dr. Richard Schwartz | Website

Sonic Slider by Biofield Tuning | Website

Get Britt's newest book, Align Your Mind, here. You can also connect with her on her website and her Instagram.

Find more from Kelly:

Instagram: @kellybroganmd

Website: kellybroganmd.com

Join Kelly's monthly membership, Vital Life Project here.

Get Kellys new book The Reclaimed Woman here and join the companion program, Reclaimed, here.

Use code KELLYBROGAN at biofieldtuningstore.com for 15% off your first purchase. Not valid during sales. Exclusions apply.

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111: How to Stop Fawning & Reclaim Your Boundaries as a Woman | Perri Chase

June 03, 2025

Kelly Brogan MD

Perri Chase

fawning response boundaries feminine embodiment shame codependency nervous system regulation people-pleasing self-abandonment internal sovereignty

Check out the replay of my masterclass Reclaimed Relationship here.

You’re not being “nice”—you’re lying for safety.

In this episode, Kelly sits down with feminine embodiment teacher and unapologetic truth-teller Perri Chase to expose the hidden cost of the fawning response—why it works, what it protects, and how it hijacks your nervous system, your relationships, and your sense of self.

Perri, creator of the transformational practice Sex Bomb and a leader in modern feminine awakening, brings a raw and riveting perspective to the conversation. Her work unpacks the addictive loop of shame, the villainization of women’s needs, and the subtle ways we betray ourselves daily under the guise of “being good.” With decades of lived experience, provocative teachings, and a sharp lens on spiritual bypassing and codependent dynamics, Perri doesn’t just talk embodiment—she lives it.

This is not your average empowerment episode. It’s a permission slip to stop performing, start feeling, and finally claim what you actually want.

You’ll Learn:

How the fawning response rewires your nervous system to lie for safety
Why shame can become a seductive, self-reinforcing addiction
How to identify and interrupt codependent communication loops
What sexual energy reveals about your capacity to hold intensity
Why regulating your nervous system doesn’t always require slowing down
How unmet needs mutate into people-pleasing and self-abandonment
What “negative empathy” teaches about dissolving the victim-perpetrator split
How to use sensation-based awareness to dissolve reactive patterns
Why “being good” often masks an avoidance of boundaries and truth
How to shift from external validation to internal energetic sovereignty

Timestamps:

[00:00] Introduction

[01:05] What the fawning response is and why it works

[04:52] The link between fawning and lying for safety

[10:50] The cost of being “nice” instead of honest

[13:40] How feminine awakening shifts priorities from safety to self

[16:42] The fear of chaos and suppression of feminine life force

[20:15] The difference between survival-driven tribes and conscious communities

[24:40] What a healthy masculine container feels like in partnership

[27:00] Shame as a wet blanket and addictive emotional loop

[33:50] Why “there are no victims” isn’t always useful

[36:25] Family constellation theory and the victim-perpetrator mirror

[43:00] Transitioning from mental awakening to body-based awakening

[45:35] How sexual energy helps regulate the nervous system from within

[48:50] The shift from managing thoughts to creating from stillness

[54:10] The danger of staying in relationships out of fear of loss

[56:50] Maturing into a woman who no longer needs to fight to be herself

[59:50] Breaking generational silence around female embodiment

👉🏻 Want to start a podcast like this one? Book your free podcast planning call here

Resources Mentioned:

Orgasmic Meditation (OM) by OneTaste | Website

My Mother/My Self by Nancy Friday | Book

Family Constellation Therapy | Website

Pussy Map – women's sexuality and embodiment course by Perri Chase | Course

You can connect with Perri and learn about all of her current offerings here.

Find more from Kelly:

Instagram: @kellybroganmd

Website: kellybroganmd.com

Join Kelly's monthly membership, Vital Life Project here.

Get Kelly’s new book The Reclaimed Woman here and join the companion program, Reclaimed, here.

Check out the replay of my masterclass Reclaimed Relationship here.

You’re not being “nice”—you’re lying for safety.

In this episode, Kelly sits down with feminine embodiment teacher and unapologetic truth-teller Perri Chase to expose the hidden cost of the fawning response—why it works, what it protects, and how it hijacks your nervous system, your relationships, and your sense of self.

Perri, creator of the transformational practice Sex Bomb and a leader in modern feminine awakening, brings a raw and riveting perspective to the conversation. Her work unpacks the addictive loop of shame, the villainization of women’s needs, and the subtle ways we betray ourselves daily under the guise of “being good.” With decades of lived experience, provocative teachings, and a sharp lens on spiritual bypassing and codependent dynamics, Perri doesn’t just talk embodiment—she lives it.

This is not your average empowerment episode. It’s a permission slip to stop performing, start feeling, and finally claim what you actually want.

You’ll Learn:

How the fawning response rewires your nervous system to lie for safety
Why shame can become a seductive, self-reinforcing addiction
How to identify and interrupt codependent communication loops
What sexual energy reveals about your capacity to hold intensity
Why regulating your nervous system doesn’t always require slowing down
How unmet needs mutate into people-pleasing and self-abandonment
What “negative empathy” teaches about dissolving the victim-perpetrator split
How to use sensation-based awareness to dissolve reactive patterns
Why “being good” often masks an avoidance of boundaries and truth
How to shift from external validation to internal energetic sovereignty