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The podcast listened to by sophisticated in-house counsel, judges from around the world, IP policymakers, senior USPTO officials, and top patent dealmakers and attorneys to stay ahead of the curve by understanding the personalities and forces shaping IP.

Eli Mazour’s love of talking to people – along with his belief in the importance of America’s patent system – led him to start Clause 8. Clause 8 features conversations that provide strategic insights about how to best deal with various patent-related issues. Some of the previous guests include America’s great innovators, federal judges, USPTO Directors, top IP staffers on Capitol Hill, and Carole Baskin’s attorney from the documentary Tiger King.

It's the #1 podcast about IP and is in the top 2.5% of all podcasts according to Listen Score. The podcast has been covered and cited in many publications, including Bloomberg, Law360, Courthouse News Service, Above the Law, IAM, and Original Jurisdiction.

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Recent Hosts, Guests & Topics

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Hosts

Eli Mazour

Previous Guests

Julie Burke
Julie Burke is known as a whistleblower within the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). She has been involved in advocating for transparency and reform within the patent examination process, highlighting issues related to patent eligibility and examiner morale.
Clint Mehall
Clint Mehall is a recognized expert in patent prosecution, with extensive experience in navigating the complexities of patent law and the USPTO processes. He has contributed to discussions on improving patent examination practices and reducing application backlogs.
Michal Malkovich
Michal Malkovich is the Vice President at Charles River Associates, where he specializes in economic consulting and expert testimony in the field of intellectual property. With extensive experience in patent valuation and analysis, he provides insights that help clients navigate complex patent-related issues.
Alejandra Loaiza Delgado
Alejandra Loaiza Delgado is the Co-Founder and Managing Director at Econ Edge, a firm focused on economic analysis and consulting in the realm of intellectual property. She has a strong background in patent valuation and is known for her expertise in helping clients understand the economic implications of their intellectual property assets.
Mike Pellegrino
Mike Pellegrino is the President and Founder of Pellegrino & Associates, a consulting firm that specializes in patent valuation and intellectual property strategy. With years of experience in the industry, he is recognized for his ability to assess the value of patents and provide strategic advice to clients.
Heath Hoglund
Heath Hoglund is the President of Via LA, a prominent organization in the field of patent licensing. He has a background in intellectual property and standards, having previously served as the head of IP & standards at Dolby. Heath is also known for founding Puerto Rico's first IP boutique, showcasing his commitment to innovation and the development of intellectual property frameworks.
Kathy Duda
Kathy Duda is the President of The Patent Office Professional Association (POPA), the union representing USPTO patent examiners. She became involved with POPA after it provided support during her pregnancy. Kathy has played a significant role in negotiating the first collective bargaining agreement with the USPTO in 40 years. She is currently focused on addressing the challenges faced by patent examiners, including the impact of new return to office policies and the record backlog at the USPTO.
Patrick Murray
Patrick Murray is an entrepreneur known for his work with Radium Payments, where he has played a significant role in the ideation and patent acquisition processes. His journey highlights the critical importance of intellectual property in validating business ideas and fostering innovation.
Lisa Mueller
Lisa Mueller is the host of the AUTM on the Air podcast, where she discusses technology transfer and the role of universities in pushing innovations from research labs to the marketplace. Her expertise lies in the intersection of academia and entrepreneurship, focusing on how intellectual property drives innovation.

Topics Discussed

USPTO patent application backlog patent eligibility AI AFCP program morale and performance of examiners Valencia Wallace Smith discretionary denials post-grant proceedings registration system for patents patent valuations value of patents patent valuation experts intellectual property Eli Mazour patent pools licensors licensees innovation landscape Via LA Dolby technology licensing IP boutique MPEG LA union Kathy Duda return to office policies collaboration collective bargaining agreement remote work patent examination US patent system innovation business validation tech transfer universities entrepreneurship academic innovation
Episodes

Here's the recent few episodes on Clause 8.

0:00 1:05:28

Coke Morgan Stewart Ushers in New Era at USPTO

Hosts
Eli Mazour
Guests
Julie Burke Clint Mehall
Keywords
USPTO patent application backlog patent eligibility AI AFCP program morale and performance of examiners Valencia Wallace Smith discretionary denials post-grant proceedings registration system for patents

PTO 'whistleblower' Julie Burke and patent prosecution guru Clint Mehall join Eli on the season finale of Clause 8 to break down what’s happening at the USPTO—and what’s still left to be done.

On this episode, they discuss:

*Insights from the Reddit r/patentexaminer thread

*Previous and current plans to reduce the record patent application backlog

*Should the USPTO withdraw patent eligibility example 47 for AI?

*Previous administration’s decision to end AFCP program and ideas for variation of AFCP program to help reduce the backlog

*Misguided priorities and personnel decisions during last administration

*Improving morale and performance of examiners

*Adjusting credit system & improving culture to help examiners identify allowable subject matter

*Choice of Valencia Wallace Smith as Acting Commissioner for Patents

*USPTO’s decision to deprioritize examination of continuation patent applications

*USPTO rescinding memorandum for discretionary denials at PTAB and Director taking over handling of the requests for discretionary denials

*Aligning post-grant proceedings at PTAB with mission of USPTO

*Suggestions about switching to a registration system for patents that does not require examination

And, much more!



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0:00 1:11:34

Finding the Truth in Patent Valuations—Top 3 Experts Weigh In

Hosts
Eli Mazour
Guests
Michal Malkovich Alejandra Loaiza Delgado Mike Pellegrino
Keywords
patent valuations value of patents patent valuation experts intellectual property Eli Mazour

What is the actual value of patents? Inventors and companies invest millions in obtaining patents, believing they are valuable assets. Yet, their true worth is rarely quantified.

For this episode of Clause 8, Eli Mazour brings together three of the most insightful experts in the patent valuation space: Michal Malkovich, Vice President at Charles River Associates; Alejandra Loaiza Delgado, Co-Founder and Managing Director at Econ Edge; and Mike Pellegrino, President and Founder of Pellegrino & Associates.

Throughout this discussion, you’ll notice that despite their different experiences and perspectives, they share one goal: getting to the truth about patent valuation.



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0:00 46:29

How the World's Largest Patent Pool Connects Innovators and Implementers

Hosts
Eli Mazour
Guests
Heath Hoglund
Keywords
patent pools licensors licensees innovation landscape Via LA Dolby technology licensing IP boutique MPEG LA

Host Eli Mazour talks with Heath Hoglund, President of Via LA, to break down the role of patent pools in today’s innovation landscape.

Tune in as they discuss:

*The balance between licensors and licensees—and how Via LA acts as a bridge between them

*Merger of Via Licensing and MPEG LA in 2003 to form Via LA

*How Dolby’s strong brand helped it succeed with technology licensing

*The challenges of starting a new patent pool program and what makes one successful

*Future of patent pools

*Heath’s story of founding Puerto Rico’s first IP boutique before becoming head of IP & standards at Dolby



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0:00 38:16

Exclusive: USPTO Union Head Hopeful & Working Well with Leadership

Hosts
Eli Mazour
Guests
Kathy Duda
Keywords
USPTO union Kathy Duda return to office policies collaboration collective bargaining agreement remote work AI patent examination

Kathy Duda is the President of The Patent Office Professional Association (POPA), which is the union representing USPTO patent examiners. On this episode, she discusses why she remains hopeful amidst current uncertainty around new return to office policies.

In the episode, she also discusses:

*Positive collaboration with Acting Director Coke Morgan Stewart

Getting first involved with POPA after it helped her during her pregnancy

Negotiating the first collective bargaining agreement (CBA) with the USPTO in 40 years

Why she’s not getting a whole lot of sleep recently

Examiners waiting for finality regarding decisions about being able to continue to work remotely

Record backlog reached at the USPTO during last administration & work to bring it down

Impact of AI & what examination might look like in 30 years

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0:00 56:28

The Remaining Power of the US Patent System

Hosts
Eli Mazour
Guests
Patrick Murray Lisa Mueller
Keywords
US patent system innovation intellectual property business validation tech transfer universities entrepreneurship academic innovation

Join Eli Mazour as he explores the vital role of the U.S. patent system in fostering innovation. Entrepreneur Patrick Murray shares his journey from ideation to patent acquisition with Radium Payments, emphasizing the importance of intellectual property in business validation. Lisa Mueller, host of the AUTM on the Air podcast, delves into tech transfer, revealing how universities push innovations from labs to marketplaces. This episode underscores patents as essential drivers of American entrepreneurship and academic innovation, providing a nuanced look at their ongoing impact on business and technology.



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