At Work with The Ready Podcast

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Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin have helped teams around the world adopt more modern ways of working and on At Work with The Ready they’re sharing the inside scoop with you, too. Whether you’re struggling with a carousel of ineffective meetings, annual strategy sessions that go nowhere, or decision-making churn that never ceases, they’ve seen it all and are here to help. In each episode, they'll break down common workplace challenges and show you the moves—both big and small—to start making real, lasting change. (Formerly “Brave New Work” with Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans)

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Michael Bungay Stanier is a best-selling author, the founder of Box of Crayons, and the host of the podcast Change Signal. He is renowned for his work in leadership development and organizational change, focusing on practical strategies to improve workplace effectiveness. His books include 'The Coaching Habit' and 'The Advice Trap,' and he is a sought-after speaker and coach dedicated to helping organizations and individuals make meaningful change.

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The Ready
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Subscribers: 470
Total Videos: 371
Total Views: 69,245
Joined: Jan 18, 2023
Location: United States

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The Ready is a future-of-work consultancy that drives long-lasting organizational transformation by taking a systems approach to complex problems. We help leaders navigate increasing uncertainty with a modern playbook for change that meets this moment. Organizations have the opportunity to thrive in complexity; how we seize that opportunity demands reinvention.

Since 2015 we've helped hundreds of organizations from all around the world transform the way they work.

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Here's the recent few episodes on At Work with The Ready.

0:00 46:42

28. DIY or DOA? Why Org Change Needs Outside Help

Keywords
organizational change DIY transformation internal change efforts power dynamics change management support structures organizational design
In a year marked by tighter budgets, leaner teams, and growing uncertainty, more organizations than ever are choosing to go it alone. DIY transformation feels safer, cheaper, more in control. But that instinct to do more with less is often the very thing that stalls progress. Because without the right structure, support, and space, most internal change efforts don’t just slow down… they spin out.



This week, Rodney and Sam pull apart the decision to “DIY” major organizational change. They explore why so many teams default to doing it themselves, what makes internal transformation efforts so hard to sustain, and the subtle power dynamics that turn strategic remits into order-taking. Along the way, they dig into what it really takes to get change moving—from alone on the inside or with a partner.



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Mentioned references:

Ayurvedic eating

RACI episode: AWWTR Ep. 10

Bill Anderson episode: Brave New Work 68

The Ready's Tension and Practice Cards

The Ready's OS Canvas

Future of HR model

Rodney's problem solution fit article





00:00 Intro + Check-In: What is a DIY victory or failure you’ve had recently?

03:51 The Pattern: DIY Transformation tends to be “try, fail, repeat”

05:27 Why people decide to DIY change work

11:40 Orgs are designed to fight change

15:32 The deck is stacked against internal OD/OE/transformation teams

19:43 You don’t know what you don’t know

23:43 Challenges of trying to change your coworkers

27:00 Lack of authority and power kneecap real progress

32:10 Hidden financial and org costs of DIY change

37:44 Idea 1: Contract for a CLEAR remit, REAL customer discovery, and actual solution design

42:35 Idea 2: Don’t start with the whole project, start with a smaller leverage point

44:59 Wrap up: Leave us a review and share the show with your coworkers!



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0:00 45:30

27. Everything Can't Be Priority One

Keywords
organizational priorities deprioritization workplace chaos project overload leadership decision-making organizational design work management tools
We talk a lot about doing less to get more—but in practice, most organizations end up doing the opposite. When priorities pile up, and nothing gets removed or finished, the result is a familiar kind of chaos: too many projects, too little focus, and an endless loop of adding more in hopes of getting unstuck.



This week, Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin unpack one of the most common organizational dynamics they see: the “more-is-more” trap of priority overload. They dig into why deprioritizing anything at work feels so psychologically and politically fraught, how identity and sunk costs keep teams clinging to low-impact efforts, and ways for leadership teams to prioritize at a org wide level, not just assemble a laundry list of everyone’s pet projects.



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Mentioned references:

"60% of Americans"

Depthfinding

John Cutler's prioritization article

WSJF (weighted-shortest-job-first)

GTD: Brave New Work Ep. 39 with David Allen







00:00 Intro + Check-In: What’s a molehill you’re willing to defend until the end?

03:52 The Pattern: We prioritize everything and nothing gets done

06:01 John Cutler’s 4 Jobs of Prioritization

10:08 Why it’s so hard to stop doing lower value things

18:35 Difference altitudes of priorities

22:23 Where leaders mess up prioritization

25:11 Continuous steering version of priorities

33:05 Idea 1: Use a variant of WSJF for your own variables

37:21 Idea 2: Shift from saying “no” to “not right now”

39:27 Idea 3: Visualize your work to “see” deprioritization

41:26 Idea 4: Openly talk about conflicting priorities

44:00 Wrap up: Share the show with your coworkers!



Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of ⁠⁠⁠Coupe Studios⁠⁠⁠.
0:00 42:38

26. Unweirding Change with Michael Bungay Stanier

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Michael Bungay Stanier
Keywords
organizational change change management behavioral change leverage points change frameworks organizational behavior change quadrants
Despite an explosion of frameworks, toolkits, and “best practices,” the success rate of organizational change hasn’t improved in over a decade. For all the decks, comms plans, and transformation initiatives being sold, most companies still find themselves stuck, repeating the same plays and hoping for different results.



This week, Rodney Evans welcomes back Michael Bungay Stanier—best-selling author, host of the new podcast Change Signal, and longtime friend of the show—who’s on a mission to cut through the noise and find what actually works. They explore why change still feels so weird, the real leverage points for shifting individual and organizational behavior, and whether it’s finally time to retire “change management” as we know it.



Get a copy of Michael's change quadrants he talks about in this episode here: Michael's quadrants.



Learn more about Michael:

Follow him on LinkedIn

Listen to his podcast, Change Signal.

Subscribe to his newsletter, The Change Signal.

Check out his website, MBS.works

See his two prior appearances on our show, BNW Ep. 19 and BNW Ep. 75.



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Mentioned references:

Jason Fox's episode: AWWTR Ep. 17

John Kotter and the 8 Steps

Depthfinding and the "Zones"

Ron Heifetz

Immunity to Change, book by Robert Kegan and Lisa Lahey

Peter Block

Winston Churchill "We Shape Our Buildings"

Maslow's hierarchy of needs

Larissa Conte: BNW Ep. 151

Katie Milkman: Change Signal Ep. 2

Caroline Webb: Change Signal Ep. 5





Timestamps:

00:00 Intro + Check-In: Do you have a non-work related goal that you’re working towards right now?

9:59 Michael’s journey to un-weird change

14:49 Michael’s individual and organizational unlocks for change

21:24 Importance of strong foundational habits to succeed in change work

25:37 Understanding of power dynamics in change work

33:27 Outdated change mindsets to let go of

38:38 Rodney and Michael’s takeaways

40:28 Wrap up: Leave us a review and share the show with your coworkers!



Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of ⁠⁠Coupe Studios⁠⁠.
0:00 29:08

Depthfinding: Putting It All Into Practice

Keywords
Depthfinding cross-functional challenges Midnight Zones complexity uncertainty organizational design
In this miniseries, we’re exploring Depthfinding—an easy-to-grasp framework designed to help leaders and teams solve their gnarliest cross-functional challenges.



This week, Rodney and Sam reflect on what they’ve learned over the course of this eight-part miniseries—about the framework, their own Midnight Zones, and what it means to navigate complexity amidst uncertainty. They share how their thinking has evolved since launching the series, when Depthfinding is most useful (and when it’s not), and why every organization eventually has to ask: Who are we designing for?



The end of the miniseries isn’t the end of Depthfinding. Now it’s time for you to dive in.



Download the Depthfinding guide⁠ to get the template and examples of how to use it.



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Mentioned references:

Bob Vila

The Ready's OS Canvas

"strategy pancakes": AWWTR Ep. 2

"even/overs": BNW Ep. 44

"op rhythm": BNW Ep. 118

Yaggadang by BG & Coyote Radio



00:00 Intro + Check-In: What is the warning label on the back of your box?

04:26 Depthfinding’s impact on our work

08:19 New discoveries from the miniseries

13:50 Limitations of Depthfinding

16:34 Troubleshooting consultants stuck in one zone

22:14 What’s next for Depthfinding

25:14 What’s next for the podcast

27:11 Wrap up: Leave us a review and share the show with your colleagues



This episode's theme music is ⁠Yaggadang by BG & Coyote Radio⁠.

Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of ⁠Coupe Studios⁠.
0:00 45:43

Depthfinding: From Leadership to Stewardship

Keywords
Depthfinding stewardship leadership cross-functional challenges organizational health resilience complex systems
In this miniseries, we’re exploring Depthfinding—an easy-to-grasp framework designed to help leaders and teams solve their gnarliest cross-functional challenges.

This week, Rodney and Sam dive into one of the most pivotal (and misunderstood) aspects of the framework: stewardship. Depthfinding is built on the idea that organizations are like oceans, not aquariums. That means leaders have to show up in an entirely new way—not as a boss, a hero, or a disciplinarian, but as someone responsible for the ongoing health of a complex system.

Embracing stewardship can be an uphill battle thanks to the ghosts of leadership past and the inner work required to show up well in complexity. But when facing down uncertainty, building the conditions for resilience and learning to steward across each Depthfinding zone offers a new way forward.

Get the PDF Rodney and Sam talk about in this episode

Download the Depthfinding guide to get the template and examples of how to use it.

Want to learn more about Depthfinding? Head here: theready.com/depthfinding

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Mentioned references:

"Intelligence vs information age"

Jack Welch

Model T assembly line efficiency gains

Henry Ford quote about hands: The Future of Management, by Gary Hamel

connection between Gantt chart and slavery

Frederick Winslow Taylor

MRI study about how power impacts your brain

Employee Owned Trust (EOT)

00:00 Intro + Check-In: What is an underrated condiment? 03:46 Stewardship is how to put Depthfinding into action 08:32 Leadership ghosts of the industrial age: Henry Ford and the org chart 15:10 Leadership ghosts of the information age: Jack Welch and cult of personality 20:11 De-centering leaders and re-centering the organization for the future 23:50 Stewardship in the Midnight Zone playbook 28:13 Leaders modeling Midnight Zone moves is critical 30:29 Stewardship in the Twilight Zone playbook 35:46 Stewardship in the Sunshine Zone playbook 38:13 Stewardship in the Sky playbook 43:40 Wrap up: Leave us a review and share this episode with your colleagues!

This episode's theme music is Yaggadang by BG & Coyote Radio. Sound engineering and design by Taylor Marvin of Coupe Studios.

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