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Bold, unfiltered, and uncompromisingly honest, Why Should I Trust You?  is a weekly podcast that looks at the breakdown in trust for science and public health. It drops every Thursday, with occasional additional special episodes sprinkled in.

Hosted by Brinda Adhikari, the former executive producer of
“The Problem with Jon Stewart” and a former TV news journalist; Tom Johnson, the former executive producer of “The Circus,” and also a former TV news journalist; Dr. Maggie Bartlett, a virologist and assistant research professor at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health; and Dr. Mark Abdelmalek a skin cancer surgeon, a medical journalist and a dermatologist practicing in Philadelphia -  each week we try to figure out what is behind this staggering collapse in trust and see if we can rebuild towards trust again. 

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Here's a quick summary of the last 5 episodes on Why Should I Trust You?.

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Brinda Adhikari Tom Johnson Maggie Bartlett Dr. Mark Abdelmalek Mark Abdelmalek

Previous Guests

Emily Jashinsky
Emily Jashinsky is a prominent media personality and journalist, currently serving as the DC correspondent for UnHerd, a news and current affairs site. She is also the co-host of 'Counterpoints' with Ryan Grim and hosts 'Undercurrents TV'. Previously, she worked with The Federalist and The Hill, where she gained recognition for her insights into the evolving media landscape and the dynamics of public trust in media and institutions.
Evan Barker
Evan Barker is a writer, podcaster, and former Democratic staffer and fundraiser. Raised in a working-class community in Missouri, she experienced financial struggles growing up. After being diagnosed with a rare, potentially fatal chronic illness, she became an advocate for healthcare issues. In 2024, she voted for Donald Trump, which marked a significant shift from her previous political alignment. Barker's experiences and insights provide a unique perspective on the intersection of healthcare and politics, particularly regarding trust in political parties and their health agendas.
Dr. Peter Marks
Dr. Peter Marks is the former director of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research within the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). He oversaw the FDA vaccine program and was a key figure in the government's response to the COVID-19 pandemic, particularly through his leadership in Operation Warp Speed, which aimed to expedite the development and approval of COVID-19 vaccines. His recent resignation from the FDA has drawn significant attention, especially in light of his comments regarding the current state of vaccine trust and public health.
Wendell Potter
Wendell Potter is a former health insurance executive who worked at Cigna. He is now a prominent whistleblower and advocate for healthcare reform, having left his high-paying job to expose the practices of the health insurance industry. He is the president of the Center for Health and Democracy, where he focuses on promoting transparency and accountability in healthcare.

Topics Discussed

New Media mistrust public health science media landscape right-leaning podcasters YouTubers social media influencers rare disease Obamacare MAGA supporter healthcare trust in political parties working-class America vaccine safety measles outbreak trust in science FDA Operation Warp Speed health insurance whistleblower Wendell Potter healthcare reform bureaucratic red tape out-of-pocket costs public trust

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0:00 45:44

Can Dems Be the Party of Health in an Age of RFK Jr.’s MAHA? A Conversation w Sen. Maggie Hassan

During RFK Jr.'s confirmation hearing back in January, many voices competed to be heard. But one cut through the noise: Senator Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire — a Democrat, a policymaker, and the mother of a son with Cerebral Palsy. Her emotional testimony about love, a mother's guilt, and the daily realities of disability struck a national chord.

Today, she joins us.

She tells us about where she finds yes, disagreement — but also, surprising common ground — with MAHA parents seeking answers about autism, vaccines, food, and chemicals. 

Can this Democrat from the "Live Free or Die" state help rebuild trust in public health, a field often tied to collective sacrifice? And with her party facing historic polling lows, how does she believe Democrats can craft a new health message, even as they fight to protect scientific research and Medicaid from deep cuts she sees as devastating?

Hosts:

Brinda Adhikari

Tom Johnson

Maggie Bartlett

Dr. Mark Abdelmalek


Guest:

Senator Maggie Hassan (D-NH)

Relevant committees she serves which relate to the subject of our podcast: Senate HELP Committee (Health, Education, Labor and Pensions); Senate Finance Committee; Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs

Source:

Clip from January 2025 of Sen Maggie Hassan at RFK Jr.'s confirmation hearing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEYj8x8f1QY&t=1s

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0:00 53:43

How to Reach People in Today's New Media Amid a Crisis of Mistrust. A Conversation with Emily Jashinsky

Hosts
Brinda Adhikari Tom Johnson Maggie Bartlett Dr. Mark Abdelmalek
Guests
Emily Jashinsky
Keywords
New Media mistrust public health science media landscape right-leaning podcasters YouTubers social media influencers

We’re joined by Emily Jashinsky, co-host of Counterpoints with Ryan Grim. Formerly with The Federalist and The Hill, Emily now serves as DC correspondent for UnHerd and hosts Undercurrents TV. She’s someone well-versed in this shifting media landscape.

Together, we explore the rise of the so-called “New Media”—a world where legacy outlets are giving way to right-leaning podcasters, YouTubers, and social media influencers. As trust in public health, science, and institutions craters, we ask: is this new media ecosystem fueling the breakdown, or finally reflecting a mistrust that’s been simmering for years?

And while critics on the Left call this new media machine unstoppable—blaming it for everything from Trump’s rise to the collapse of trust in science—we push back on that narrative. Could this shifting landscape actually offer unexpected opportunities for public health voices willing to step into the fray?


Hosts:

Brinda Adhikari

Tom Johnson

Maggie Bartlett (off this week)

Dr. Mark Abdelmalek (off this week)


Guest:

Emily Jashinsky, former The Federalist, The Hill, co-host of Counterpoints web and podcast show; and the DC correspondent of UnHerd - a news and current affairs site and host of Undercurrents TV. 

Sources:

Media Matters "Bubbles" Graphic on Dominance of Right-Leaning Media

https://x.com/GoAngelo/status/1900959918040989731

Joe Rogan Podcast, Dave Smith, Doug Murray, on Expertise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah6kirkSwTg

Emily Jashinsky: Legacy Media Indict Themselves When They Blame the "Right Wing Media Ecosystem"

https://thefederalist.com/2024/11/08/legacy-media-indict-themselves-when-they-blame-the-right-wing-media-ecosystem/

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0:00 47:38

A Writer's Journey w a Rare Disease Led Her to Champion Obamacare & Democrats. Why She Is Now a MAGA Supporter.

Hosts
Brinda Adhikari Tom Johnson Maggie Bartlett Mark Abdelmalek
Guests
Evan Barker
Keywords
rare disease Obamacare MAGA supporter healthcare trust in political parties working-class America

In today’s episode, we speak with Evan Barker, a writer, podcaster, and former Democratic staffer and fundraiser who, in 2024, voted for Donald Trump. Raised in a working-class community by her mother, Barker's family lived paycheck to paycheck. Then she was diagnosed with a rare, potentially fatal chronic illness. 

Raised in a blue-collar Missouri community, Evan represents a much-needed voice at the table as America wrestles with how to get healthier. Does she feel MAHA represents the America of her upbringing? How did the party of Obamacare--which provided her insurance and thus the opportunity to go to college--lose her trust? And despite her vote for Trump, does she trust the Republican Party will hold the line on cuts to Medicaid, which millions of working-class Americans depend on?  Finally, does this former Democrat think either party has a health agenda that will rebuild trust with middle-class America and will make us healthier? 


Hosts:

Brinda Adhikari

Tom Johnson

Maggie Bartlett

Dr. Mark Abdelmalek


Guest:

Evan Barker: writer; former Democratic campaign operative; host of podcast Not Going Back


Source:

Evan Barker: I Raised $50 Million for the Democratic Party. This Week I Voted for Donald Trump. 

https://www.thefp.com/p/democrat-fundraiser-evan-barker-i-voted-trump

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0:00 1:10:50

Special Ep: A Conversation with Dr. Peter Marks on Vaccine Safety, Trust, and the True Scope of the Measles Outbreak

Hosts
Brinda Adhikari Tom Johnson Maggie Bartlett Dr. Mark Abdelmalek
Guests
Dr. Peter Marks
Keywords
vaccine safety measles outbreak public health trust in science FDA Operation Warp Speed


Nation's Top Vaccine Regulator Just Ousted, Dr. Peter Marks: "Measles is NOT leveling off". 

This is in direct contrast to Secretary Kennedy's statement just yesterday that the nation's measles outbreak is under control. 

Plus why he felt he could not stay at the FDA anymore, his answers to parents' questions about vaccine safety, what he sees for public health right now and what he wants to do next. 

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Today, in a special episode, we’re breaking from our usual Thursday release schedule to bring you an in-depth conversation with Dr. Peter Marks—America’s top vaccine official, who just stepped down from his role at the FDA.


His resignation made headlines, sending shock waves through the public health world, especially after he said RFK Jr.’s newly installed team at the agency left him little choice. For years, Dr. Marks led the government group responsible for approving vaccines and in that role was a driving force behind Operation Warp Speed. That effort both fast-tracked COVID-19 vaccines at a moment when the nation was desperate for solutions and has helped fuel America's rise in mistrust.
Now, with that public trust in science, health officials, and institutions at a low point, we sit down with Dr. Marks to ask the hard questions: Was the COVID vaccine rushed? What does he make of RFK Jr.’s bold claim that he’ll uncover the cause of autism by September? And does he think the current measles outbreak is bigger and more dangerous than it appears?
Finally, we talk with this newly liberated public health servant about what it might take for America to turn the corner—and start trusting again.

Hosts:

Brinda Adhikari

Tom Johnson

Maggie Bartlett

Dr. Mark Abdelmalek


Guest:

Dr. Peter Marks, former director of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research within the Food and Drug Administration. He oversaw the FDA vaccine program. 

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0:00 57:19

Wendell Potter, A Health Insurance Exec Turned Whistleblower, On Blowing Up Our System

Hosts
Brinda Adhikari Tom Johnson Maggie Bartlett Dr. Mark Abdelmalek
Guests
Wendell Potter
Keywords
health insurance whistleblower Wendell Potter healthcare reform bureaucratic red tape out-of-pocket costs public trust

On today's episode, we tackle a topic that sparks more fear, frustration, and mistrust than perhaps any other: health insurance. From denied claims to endless bureaucratic red tape and the dread of sky-high out-of-pocket costs, it's no wonder so many Americans feel trapped. While more people are covered than ever before, many are still skipping doctor visits, avoiding exams, and forgoing prescription refills due to the financial burden. The raw emotion was on full display in the shocking response to the murder of the United Healthcare CEO. Today, we sit down with Wendell Potter, a former health industry insider turned whistleblower who walked away from his high-paying job to fight for reform in the very industry he once served. In today's divisive conversation about making America healthier, is fixing healthcare the one thing we can all agree on?

Hosts:

Brinda Adhikari

Tom Johnson

Maggie Bartlett

Dr. Mark Abdelmalek

Guest:

Wendell Potter, former health insurance executive at Cigna; president of the Center for Health and Democracy


Sources:

I Was a Health Insurance Executive. What I Saw Made Me Quit

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/18/opinion/health-insurance-united-ceo-shooting.html


In US, Inability to Pay For Care, Medicine Hits New High
https://news.gallup.com/poll/658148/inability-pay-care-medicine-hits-new-high.aspx

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