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At Beyond 8 Figures, we believe in DELIBERATE entrepreneurship. It means creating a solid foundational framework for your entrepreneurial journey, building from a place of passion, and intentionally aligning your actions with your goals so that you can create success on your terms.

Join A.J. Lawrence, the journeyman entrepreneur with several 7 figure exits, as he shares honest conversations with successful entrepreneurs about their experiences starting and scaling businesses to $10M and beyond, the realities of being a modern-day entrepreneur, advice for practicing deliberate entrepreneurship, and more!

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A.J. Lawrence

Previous Guests

Ben Fraser
Ben Fraser is the Chief Investment Officer at Aspen Funds and co-host of the Invest Like a Billionaire podcast, where he helps high-performing entrepreneurs grow and protect their wealth through smarter, passive investments. With a background in commercial lending and institutional asset management, Ben has overseen $125M+ in real estate and business loans. Today, he specializes in guiding business owners toward alternative investment strategies that prioritize stability, cash flow, and long-term growth without adding complexity to their lives.
Ray Deck
Ray Deck is the founder of State Change, a company focused on helping entrepreneurs scale their businesses using innovative tools and strategies. With extensive experience in the tech industry, Ray has witnessed significant market shifts, including the dot-com bust and the rise of Software as a Service (SaaS). He emphasizes the importance of leveraging existing knowledge and trust to drive business growth, advocating for the use of AI and no-code solutions to empower founders. Ray is dedicated to providing practical advice and real-world tactics for mid-journey entrepreneurs looking to enhance their operations without the stress of traditional scaling methods.
Kanessa Muluneh
Kanessa Muluneh is the founder of the fashion brand MULU, known for its innovative approach to building a clothing company without relying on traditional e-commerce platforms like Shopify. She has successfully leveraged social media platforms such as TikTok, Telegram, and WhatsApp to engage with her audience and grow her brand. Kanessa is also recognized for her commitment to mentoring women in both the U.S. and Africa, and she owns a factory in Pakistan, showcasing her dedication to ethical production and empowering women in the fashion industry.
Kevin Ashcroft
Kevin Ashcroft is a veteran in outsourcing and remote work, known for his expertise in helping businesses hire and manage global teams efficiently. He has authored the book 'Outsourcing For Success' and has extensive experience in providing actionable strategies for small and mid-sized businesses to leverage global talent for growth.

Topics Discussed

investing selling a business entrepreneurship diversification tax strategy passive investments AI no-code reputation scaling domain expertise trust growth strategy TikTok fashion brand MULU African market NFTs mentoring women global sales global talent business growth outsourcing remote work hiring strategies scaling teams
Episodes

Here's the recent few episodes on Beyond 8 Figures.

0:00 58:41

How to Scale a Business with Clarity – Lessons from Sean Si’s SEO Journey

Growth doesn’t come from hustle. It comes from clarity.

Sean Si hit the wall most founders do — trying to do everything, lead everyone, and fix all the things. Then he blew it up and started fresh.

In this episode, he walks us through how he scaled SEO Hacker by simplifying, delegating, and focusing on what actually matters.
✅ What burnout taught him about leadership
✅ Why most marketing teams misfire — and how to fix it
✅ How to rebuild culture without being the bottleneck

If you’ve ever said "I don’t know what’s working anymore," this one’s for you.

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0:00 36:29

How to Invest After Selling a Business (Without Losing It All) with Ben Fraser of Aspen Funds

Hosts
A.J. Lawrence
Guests
Ben Fraser
Keywords
investing selling a business entrepreneurship diversification tax strategy passive investments

You built the business. You cashed out. Now what?

Most founders think they need to “reinvest everything” or go chase the next big thing. But in this episode of Beyond 8 Figures, I sit down with Ben Fraser of Aspen Funds to break down how to invest after selling a business — the right way.

Ben’s been inside this game since the last recession. He watched his father build Aspen Funds from scratch after the 2008 crash, and he’s since helped scale it into a multi-million-dollar platform that helps entrepreneurs invest passively (and intelligently).

We talk about why entrepreneurs make terrible investors, how billionaires actually diversify, and the overlooked tax strategy that could save you six figures. If you’re still betting everything on your business — or worse, sitting on cash and hoping for the best — this episode will shift your mindset.

Guest Introduction:
Ben Fraser is the Chief Investment Officer at Aspen Funds and co-host of the Invest Like a Billionaire podcast, where he helps high-performing entrepreneurs grow and protect their wealth through smarter, passive investments. With a background in commercial lending and institutional asset management, Ben has overseen $125M+ in real estate and business loans. Today, he specializes in guiding business owners toward alternative investment strategies that prioritize stability, cash flow, and long-term growth—without adding complexity to their lives.

Key Takeaways & Timestamps:

  • [05:37] The One-Liner That Changes Everything – “Wealth is created through concentration, but preserved through diversification.”
  • [06:38] How Billionaires Really Diversify – Ben reveals the Tiger 21 portfolio breakdown and how to use it.
  • [14:35] Unlocking Tax Loopholes Most Entrepreneurs Miss – What happens when your spouse qualifies as a real estate professional.
  • [15:36] Why One Founder Quit a 6-Figure Job to Save More – Ben shares a story that’ll make you rethink W-2s.
  • [19:47] Where the Smart Money Is Moving in 2025 – Ben’s macro-driven view of real estate (and what KKR just did).

The next big move in your business might start with a conversation.
If you’ve been thinking about leveling up, shifting directions, or preparing for a future exit, A.J. offers strategic support for entrepreneurs at a crossroads. No pitch—just a chance to explore what’s possible. 

👉 Start here

Episode Highlights:

  • Don’t just reinvest everything into your business — you’re exposed.
  • Real diversification starts when you stop chasing control.
  • Use tax law to your advantage (especially with a strategic spouse).
  • Billionaires don’t try to time the market — they plan across decades.


Key Quotes:

  • “Wealth is created through concentration. But it’s preserved through diversification.”
  • “Entrepreneurs make terrible investors… because we’re wired to take risk, not preserve what we’ve built.
  • “You don’t need to earn more. You need to invest smarter.”


Resources & Links:


Connect with Ben Fraser:


0:00 34:04

How to Scale a Tech-Enabled Business with AI, No-Code, and Reputation with Ray Deck, State Change

Hosts
A.J. Lawrence
Guests
Ray Deck
Keywords
AI no-code reputation scaling domain expertise trust growth strategy entrepreneurship

Most founders wait too long to adapt. Ray Deck says that’s a mistake—and shows how to scale smarter using the tools you already have.

What if the biggest leverage in your business isn’t new funding or a bigger team—but the knowledge and trust you’ve already built?

This week, I’m joined by Ray Deck, founder of State Change, to break down how AI, no-code, and personal reputation are changing the game for founders ready to scale—without burning out.

Ray’s seen it all—from the dot-com bust to the rise of SaaS—and now he’s helping entrepreneurs build smarter by tapping into tools that amplify what they already know.

We get into:

  • 🔍 The power of domain expertise (and why it matters more than ever)
  • 🛠️ How to turn your ideas into real tools—without writing cod
  • 📈 Using content to build trust and drive scalable growth
  • 🧪 Why experimentation is your most valuable growth strategy


If you’re a mid-journey founder running a 7-figure business—or eyeing your next move—this episode is full of real-world tactics to help you scale with less stress and more leverage.

🎧 Listen now—then go build what only you can create.


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0:00 34:47

From TikTok to Global Sales: How Kanessa Muluneh Scaled a Fashion Brand Without Shopify

Hosts
A.J. Lawrence
Guests
Kanessa Muluneh
Keywords
TikTok fashion brand MULU African market NFTs mentoring women global sales

🎙️ What if your biggest business breakthrough came from TikTok… in a language you barely spoke anymore?

This week, I sat down with Kanessa Muluneh, the powerhouse behind the fashion brand MULU. She built a thriving clothing company in Africa—not through Shopify or ads—but through Telegram, WhatsApp, and a loyal audience she nurtured with blunt honesty and smart storytelling.

We get into:

  • Launching a brand in Africa (and why it’s not like the West)
  • Using NFTs to educate and engage a new market
  • Owning her own factory in Pakistan
  • Scaling by mentoring women in the U.S. and Africa

This episode is raw, real, and full of insights for any founder looking to build across borders.

Don’t miss it!

0:00 45:08

Scaling Smarter: How to Leverage Global Talent for Business Growth with Kevin Ashcroft

Hosts
A.J. Lawrence
Guests
Kevin Ashcroft
Keywords
global talent business growth outsourcing remote work hiring strategies scaling teams

Hiring global talent is no longer just for massive corporations—it’s a game-changer for small and mid-sized businesses, too. In this episode, I sit down with Kevin Ashcroft, a veteran in outsourcing and remote work, to break down the exact strategies you can use to hire, manage, and scale a global team efficiently.

💡 Learn how to avoid common outsourcing mistakes, find top-tier talent without overpaying, and build a hiring system that works. Whether you’re just starting with VAs or looking to scale an entire remote team, this episode is packed with actionable insights.

🎧 Listen now and transform how you build your business! 🚀

🚀 Want to scale your business smarter with the right hires? Let’s talk. 👉 Work with A.J.

Get a copy of Kevin's book: Outsourcing For Success

Connect with Kevin Ashcroft:

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