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Here's a quick summary of the last 5 episodes on Mormon Stories Podcast.
Hosts
John Dehlin
Previous Guests
Britt Hartley
Britt Hartley is a speaker and advocate for those navigating the complexities of faith deconstruction. With a background in psychology and personal experience in leaving organized religion, she provides insights into the challenges and opportunities that arise during this transformative process. Britt focuses on helping individuals find meaning and structure in their lives post-religion, emphasizing the importance of integrity and openness in the journey of self-discovery.
Britt Hartley is a speaker and advocate for those navigating the complexities of faith deconstruction. With a background in psychology and personal experience in leaving organized religion, she provides insights into the challenges and opportunities that arise during this transformative process. Britt focuses on helping individuals find meaning and structure in their lives post-religion, emphasizing the importance of integrity and openness in the journey of self-discovery.
Jennifer Jeppson Wilson
Jennifer Jeppson Wilson is a former member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who grew up in a devout Mormon family. She has a background that includes a polygamist family history and has served a mission for the church. Throughout her life, she has held various leadership roles within the church, which she reflects on in her discussions about faith transitions. Jennifer's journey involves questioning her beliefs, navigating the complexities of marriage and motherhood, and ultimately leaving the church. She now focuses on raising her children outside of Mormonism and rediscovering her identity beyond her previous faith.
Jennifer Jeppson Wilson is a former member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who grew up in a devout Mormon family. She has a background that includes a polygamist family history and has served a mission for the church. Throughout her life, she has held various leadership roles within the church, which she reflects on in her discussions about faith transitions. Jennifer's journey involves questioning her beliefs, navigating the complexities of marriage and motherhood, and ultimately leaving the church. She now focuses on raising her children outside of Mormonism and rediscovering her identity beyond her previous faith.
Kari Hanks
Kari Hanks is a former member of the Two by Twos faith who has undergone a significant personal transformation. She has shared her journey of questioning her beliefs and discovering her bisexuality, which has been a pivotal part of her deconstruction process. Kari is also involved in the Ex-Two by Two support group, advocating for transparency and accountability within the faith.
Kari Hanks is a former member of the Two by Twos faith who has undergone a significant personal transformation. She has shared her journey of questioning her beliefs and discovering her bisexuality, which has been a pivotal part of her deconstruction process. Kari is also involved in the Ex-Two by Two support group, advocating for transparency and accountability within the faith.
Kyle Hanks
Kyle Hanks grew up in the Two by Twos faith, facing immense pressure to conform to family expectations. His experiences include navigating chronic illness and suppressing his passions for music and basketball in favor of church obligations. Kyle's journey includes questioning the beliefs he was raised with, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic, and he has been vocal about the emerging abuse allegations within the Two by Twos church. Together with his partner Kari, he is part of the Ex-Two by Two support group.
Kyle Hanks grew up in the Two by Twos faith, facing immense pressure to conform to family expectations. His experiences include navigating chronic illness and suppressing his passions for music and basketball in favor of church obligations. Kyle's journey includes questioning the beliefs he was raised with, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic, and he has been vocal about the emerging abuse allegations within the Two by Twos church. Together with his partner Kari, he is part of the Ex-Two by Two support group.
Topics Discussed
faith deconstruction
grieving old beliefs
embracing uncertainty
inner child work
shadow work
building authentic community
setting loving boundaries
personal growth
emotional healing
Mormon household
family history
missionary experiences
gender expectations
marriage
motherhood
church leadership roles
faith crisis
leaving the church
raising kids outside of Mormonism
rediscovering identity
relationships
parenting
psychedelics
intellectualism
identity loss
structure for kids
spiritual highs
ex-belief systems
meaning beyond religion
Gen Z dating
chakras
free will
dreams
Mormon Church
modesty standards
women's garments
exposed shoulders
Masonic roots
modesty culture
sexuality
control over women's bodies
social media response
health concerns
Two by Twos
religious trauma
bisexuality
abuse allegations
deconstruction journey
family expectations
chronic illness
support group
transparency
accountability
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0:001:26:11
Ten Things TO DO In Your Faith Deconstruction | Ep. 2013
In this powerful follow-up conversation, Britt Hartley returns to explore 10 practical and emotional steps to take during your faith deconstruction journey. From embracing anger and grief, to rediscovering your identity, setting boundaries, and finding peace in the unknownthis episode is a guide to healing, growth, and transformation.
Whether you're newly questioning or deep in the process, these insights will help you navigate deconstruction with compassion and clarity.
Topics include:
Grieving your old beliefs
Embracing uncertainty
Inner child & shadow work
Building authentic community
Setting loving boundaries
Learning to just be
Join us as we unpack the deep emotional layers of deconstruction and the tools that can truly support your journey.
00:00:00 Introduction 00:04:17 First: Anger, grief phase, etc. Lean into the anger 00:12:12 Second: Embracing what you dont know 00:20:36 Third: Dating yourself 00:29:52 Fourth: Inner child work 00:37:11 Fifth: Shadow work 00:44:35 Sixth: Deculting 00:50:38 Seventh: Vulnerably reaching out to others 00:57:00 How men are doing in deconstruction vs. how women are doing 01:01:32 Eighth: Exploring human development 01:08:15 Ninth: Boundaries from a place of love 01:14:33 Tenth: Learning how to just be 01:19:00 Closing remarks
In this powerful follow-up conversation, Britt Hartley returns to explore 10 practical and emotional steps to take during your faith deconstruction journey. From embracing anger and grief, to rediscovering your identity, setting boundaries, and finding peace in the unknownthis episode is a guide to healing, growth, and transformation.
Whether you're newly questioning or deep in the process, these insights will help you navigate deconstruction with compassion and clarity.
Topics include:
Grieving your old beliefs
Embracing uncertainty
Inner child & shadow work
Building authentic community
Setting loving boundaries
Learning to just be
Join us as we unpack the deep emotional layers of deconstruction and the tools that can truly support your journey.
00:00:00 Introduction 00:04:17 First: Anger, grief phase, etc. Lean into the anger 00:12:12 Second: Embracing what you dont know 00:20:36 Third: Dating yourself 00:29:52 Fourth: Inner child work 00:37:11 Fifth: Shadow work 00:44:35 Sixth: Deculting 00:50:38 Seventh: Vulnerably reaching out to others 00:57:00 How men are doing in deconstruction vs. how women are doing 01:01:32 Eighth: Exploring human development 01:08:15 Ninth: Boundaries from a place of love 01:14:33 Tenth: Learning how to just be 01:19:00 Closing remarks
Mormon Relief Society President Resigns - Jennifer Jeppson Wilson | Ep. 2012
Hosts
Hosts of this podcast episode
John Dehlin
Guests
Guests of this podcast episode
Jennifer Jeppson Wilson
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
Mormon householdfamily historymissionary experiencesgender expectationsmarriagemotherhoodchurch leadership rolesfaith crisisleaving the churchraising kids outside of Mormonismrediscovering identity
Jennifer Wilson shares her deeply personal journey from growing up in a devout Mormon family to questioning, deconstructing, and ultimately leaving her faith. She opens up about her family's polygamist history, her mission experience, marriage, leadership roles in the church, and the struggles that came with navigating faith transitions. From grappling with church expectations to finding newfound freedom and clarity, Jennifer reflects on how this journey has reshaped her identity, marriage, and parenting.Key Topics Covered: Growing up in a Mormon household & family history, missionary experiences & gender expectations in the church, marriage, motherhood & church leadership roles, doubts, faith crisis & leaving the church, Raising kids outside of Mormonism & rediscovering identity.Join us for an honest, heartfelt conversation about faith, change, and self-discovery. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and share your thoughts in the comments!___________________At Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals. Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions🤝Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor todayOne-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?default_interval=m Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/mormonstories Paypal: https://paypal.me/mormonstories Join this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx6OgmoqJbOVRq-Lv1P7SzA/joinOur Platforms:🌐Mormon Stories Blog: https://www.mormonstories.org/episodes 🎙️Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories ✳️Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4sDzk7dRjODTSEqzZKZJzk?si=148b0efc1ccc4404&nd=1 🍎Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormon-stories-lds/id312094772 🖼️Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormstories 📱TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonstoriespodcast 🎮Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF Contact us:📧 [email protected]📬PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117
Jennifer Wilson shares her deeply personal journey from growing up in a devout Mormon family to questioning, deconstructing, and ultimately leaving her faith. She opens up about her family's polygamist history, her mission experience, marriage, leadership roles in the church, and the struggles that came with navigating faith transitions. From grappling with church expectations to finding newfound freedom and clarity, Jennifer reflects on how this journey has reshaped her identity, marriage, and parenting.Key Topics Covered: Growing up in a Mormon household & family history, missionary experiences & gender expectations in the church, marriage, motherhood & church leadership roles, doubts, faith crisis & leaving the church, Raising kids outside of Mormonism & rediscovering identity.Join us for an honest, heartfelt conversation about faith, change, and self-discovery. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and share your thoughts in the comments!___________________At Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals. Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions🤝Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor todayOne-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?default_interval=m Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/mormonstories Paypal: https://paypal.me/mormonstories Join this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx6OgmoqJbOVRq-Lv1P7SzA/joinOur Platforms:🌐Mormon Stories Blog: https://www.mormonstories.org/episodes 🎙️Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories ✳️Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4sDzk7dRjODTSEqzZKZJzk?si=148b0efc1ccc4404&nd=1 🍎Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormon-stories-lds/id312094772 🖼️Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormstories 📱TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonstoriespodcast 🎮Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF Contact us:📧 [email protected]📬PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117
0:001:48:18
Ten Things NOT to Do In Your Faith Deconstruction - Britt Hartley | Ep. 2011
Guests
Guests of this podcast episode
Britt Hartley
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
faith deconstructionrelationshipsparentingpsychedelicsintellectualismidentity lossmarriagestructure for kidsspiritual highsex-belief systemsmeaning beyond religionGen Z datingchakrasfree willdreams
In this episode, we explore 10 common pitfalls people face during religious deconstruction. From navigating relationships and parenting outside of organized religion to the challenges of psychedelics, intellectualism, and identity loss—this is a raw, honest conversation about life after faith. Whether you're just beginning your journey or deep in it, this discussion offers insight, validation, and guidance.
Key topics covered:
Why opening your marriage right after leaving religion may backfire
How to provide structure for your kids without religion
The psychedelic trap & chasing spiritual highs
The “missionary phase” of ex-belief systems
Finding meaning beyond religion, without clinging to new dogmas
The lifelong process of deconstruction
And much more, including Gen Z dating, chakras, free will, and dreams
Don’t miss her reflections on what she’s learned, what to avoid, and how to move forward with integrity and openness.
In this episode, we explore 10 common pitfalls people face during religious deconstruction. From navigating relationships and parenting outside of organized religion to the challenges of psychedelics, intellectualism, and identity loss—this is a raw, honest conversation about life after faith. Whether you're just beginning your journey or deep in it, this discussion offers insight, validation, and guidance.
Key topics covered:
Why opening your marriage right after leaving religion may backfire
How to provide structure for your kids without religion
The psychedelic trap & chasing spiritual highs
The “missionary phase” of ex-belief systems
Finding meaning beyond religion, without clinging to new dogmas
The lifelong process of deconstruction
And much more, including Gen Z dating, chakras, free will, and dreams
Don’t miss her reflections on what she’s learned, what to avoid, and how to move forward with integrity and openness.
Mormon Women ECSTATIC about Garments Change | Ep. 2010
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
Mormon Churchmodesty standardswomen's garmentsexposed shouldersMasonic rootsmodesty culturesexualitycontrol over women's bodiessocial media responsehealth concerns
After nearly two centuries of strict modesty standards, the Mormon Church has made a historic change—women’s garments now allow for exposed shoulders. In this in-depth panel, Mormon women unpack the significance of this shift. From the garments' Masonic roots and historical designs to the ways they’ve shaped modesty culture, sexuality, and control over women's bodies, this conversation dives deep. The panel also explores the social media response, health concerns, and the ongoing discomfort many women still face. With personal stories, historical context, and commentary on the new designs, this is a must-watch discussion on a topic rarely spoken about so openly.
After nearly two centuries of strict modesty standards, the Mormon Church has made a historic change—women’s garments now allow for exposed shoulders. In this in-depth panel, Mormon women unpack the significance of this shift. From the garments' Masonic roots and historical designs to the ways they’ve shaped modesty culture, sexuality, and control over women's bodies, this conversation dives deep. The panel also explores the social media response, health concerns, and the ongoing discomfort many women still face. With personal stories, historical context, and commentary on the new designs, this is a must-watch discussion on a topic rarely spoken about so openly.
TAKING DOWN the Two by Twos Cult (2x2, The Truth) - Kari & Kyle Hanks Pt. 2 | Ep. 2009
Hosts
Hosts of this podcast episode
John Dehlin
Guests
Guests of this podcast episode
Kari HanksKyle Hanks
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
Two by Twosreligious traumabisexualityabuse allegationsdeconstruction journeyfamily expectationschronic illnesssupport grouptransparencyaccountability
In Part 2 of our story, Kyle opens up about his life growing up in the Two by Twos faith — from a childhood shaped by pressure to "uphold the family name," to navigating chronic illness and suppressing his passions for music and basketball in order to prioritize church. We talk about the expectations around professing young, the control over dating, marriage, and even parenting — including the harmful encouragement of corporal punishment.
As cracks began to form during the COVID-19 pandemic, Kyle and Kari found themselves questioning everything they believed. From hidden doubts, religious trauma, and Kari’s journey of discovering her bisexuality, to the couple’s darkest moments and eventual transformation, this episode dives deep into how they began rebuilding their lives outside the 2x2 world.
We also discuss the emerging abuse allegations within the Two by Twos church, the beginnings of their Ex-Two by Two support group, and the broader fight for transparency and accountability in a faith that claims to have no organization at all. This is a raw, emotional, and revealing chapter of their deconstruction journey.
00:29:06 Feeling immense pressure to stick to the gospel
00:34:21 His views on dating at the time
00:44:40 2x2 Wedding
00:48:23 Were told by multiple people the needed to “break their kids” - corporal punishment very big among 2x2
00:56:40 How did 2x2 members look at covid/the vaccine/masks?
01:12:49 Kari told Kyle she was atheist
01:26:24 Kyle had the feeling that he just ran off a cliff
01:37:21 Kari realized, if it feels like the only way out is death, it is not a healthy religion - realized he was giving too much to something that was not giving back
01:46:09 Kari got her ears pierced for the first time - was a very liberating experience
01:47:15 “The Ex 2x2 Support Group”
01:53:38 Highly respected overseer found dead in a hotel room
02:15:25 “If there is no organization, there is no organization to sue”
02:29:55 ‘How do you shut down an organization that doesn't exist?”
02:35:02 How much money does the 2x2 church have? How can it be tracked?
02:42:00 How do they try to gather with ex-members?
02:53:15 Conclusion
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In Part 2 of our story, Kyle opens up about his life growing up in the Two by Twos faith — from a childhood shaped by pressure to "uphold the family name," to navigating chronic illness and suppressing his passions for music and basketball in order to prioritize church. We talk about the expectations around professing young, the control over dating, marriage, and even parenting — including the harmful encouragement of corporal punishment.
As cracks began to form during the COVID-19 pandemic, Kyle and Kari found themselves questioning everything they believed. From hidden doubts, religious trauma, and Kari’s journey of discovering her bisexuality, to the couple’s darkest moments and eventual transformation, this episode dives deep into how they began rebuilding their lives outside the 2x2 world.
We also discuss the emerging abuse allegations within the Two by Twos church, the beginnings of their Ex-Two by Two support group, and the broader fight for transparency and accountability in a faith that claims to have no organization at all. This is a raw, emotional, and revealing chapter of their deconstruction journey.
00:29:06 Feeling immense pressure to stick to the gospel
00:34:21 His views on dating at the time
00:44:40 2x2 Wedding
00:48:23 Were told by multiple people the needed to “break their kids” - corporal punishment very big among 2x2
00:56:40 How did 2x2 members look at covid/the vaccine/masks?
01:12:49 Kari told Kyle she was atheist
01:26:24 Kyle had the feeling that he just ran off a cliff
01:37:21 Kari realized, if it feels like the only way out is death, it is not a healthy religion - realized he was giving too much to something that was not giving back
01:46:09 Kari got her ears pierced for the first time - was a very liberating experience
01:47:15 “The Ex 2x2 Support Group”
01:53:38 Highly respected overseer found dead in a hotel room
02:15:25 “If there is no organization, there is no organization to sue”
02:29:55 ‘How do you shut down an organization that doesn't exist?”
02:35:02 How much money does the 2x2 church have? How can it be tracked?
02:42:00 How do they try to gather with ex-members?
02:53:15 Conclusion
Mormon Stories Thanks Our Generous Donors!
Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today:
