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Recent Hosts, Guests & Topics
Here's a quick summary of the last 5 episodes on BiggerPockets Money Podcast.
Hosts
Mindy Jensen
Scott Trench
Amberly
Previous Guests
Jared Walker
Jared Walker is the founder of Dollar For, a nonprofit organization dedicated to helping individuals negotiate their medical bills and reduce healthcare costs. With a mission to alleviate the financial burden of medical expenses, Jared has successfully helped erase over $83 million in medical costs for everyday Americans. His expertise lies in leveraging the Affordable Care Act (ACA) to provide patients with discounts on their medical bills, making healthcare more accessible and affordable.
Jared Walker is the founder of Dollar For, a nonprofit organization dedicated to helping individuals negotiate their medical bills and reduce healthcare costs. With a mission to alleviate the financial burden of medical expenses, Jared has successfully helped erase over $83 million in medical costs for everyday Americans. His expertise lies in leveraging the Affordable Care Act (ACA) to provide patients with discounts on their medical bills, making healthcare more accessible and affordable.
Emma von Weise
Emma von Weise is a certified financial planner (CFP) with expertise in investment strategies and financial planning for retirees. She provides insights on market trends and helps clients navigate financial challenges, particularly during periods of market volatility. Emma is known for her practical advice on creating investment plans and managing portfolios to ensure financial security.
Emma von Weise is a certified financial planner (CFP) with expertise in investment strategies and financial planning for retirees. She provides insights on market trends and helps clients navigate financial challenges, particularly during periods of market volatility. Emma is known for her practical advice on creating investment plans and managing portfolios to ensure financial security.
Diana Hummel
Diana Hummel is a financial expert and advocate for early retirement, known for her personal journey to financial independence. After experiencing a significant life event with the sudden passing of her parents shortly after their retirement, Diana was motivated to take control of her financial future. She and her husband diligently saved and invested, allowing them to retire at the age of 45. Diana specializes in strategies for withdrawing from retirement accounts early, including Roth conversions and 72(t) strategies, and she shares her insights on navigating early retirement, especially in challenging market conditions.
Diana Hummel is a financial expert and advocate for early retirement, known for her personal journey to financial independence. After experiencing a significant life event with the sudden passing of her parents shortly after their retirement, Diana was motivated to take control of her financial future. She and her husband diligently saved and invested, allowing them to retire at the age of 45. Diana specializes in strategies for withdrawing from retirement accounts early, including Roth conversions and 72(t) strategies, and she shares her insights on navigating early retirement, especially in challenging market conditions.
Kat
Kat is a 31-year-old teacher who has been diligently maxing out her retirement accounts and saving a significant amount of cash. She is on track to retire by age 45, demonstrating that it is possible to achieve financial independence even on a teacher's salary. Kat's approach includes a high savings rate and smart financial decisions, making her a notable example of someone pursuing the FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early) movement.
Kat is a 31-year-old teacher who has been diligently maxing out her retirement accounts and saving a significant amount of cash. She is on track to retire by age 45, demonstrating that it is possible to achieve financial independence even on a teacher's salary. Kat's approach includes a high savings rate and smart financial decisions, making her a notable example of someone pursuing the FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early) movement.
Topics Discussed
healthcare costs
negotiating medical bills
Affordable Care Act
financial independence
FIRE
medical debt
cost-saving strategies
retire early
financial order of operations
emergency fund
retirement accounts
cash-flowing investments
side hustles
stock market volatility
FIRE portfolio
investment plan
cash distributions
bonds
tax-loss harvesting
early retirement
72(t) strategy
healthcare
stock market crash
tax planning
teachers salary
average income
retirement
savings rate
investments
financial flexibility
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Every week, we interview those who have achieved or are on their way to achieving financial freedom. From debt-ridden credit card consumers looking for advice to late starters building wealth in their 50s and 60s, we talk to anyone and everyone who's on a personal finance journey so YOU can learn from their lessons and make money work for you.
Tune in on Tuesdays, where we interview thought leaders in the personal finance space and investors who used ingenious strategies to retire early. Then, on Finance Fridays, we answer money questions from listeners struggling to find financial footing or needing help figuring out what to do next on their journey to FIRE!
Here's the recent few episodes on BiggerPockets Money Podcast.
0:0040:00
Healthcare Hacks That Could Save You Thousands on the Journey to FIRE
Hosts
Hosts of this podcast episode
Mindy JensenScott Trench
Guests
Guests of this podcast episode
Jared Walker
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
healthcare costsnegotiating medical billsAffordable Care Actfinancial independenceFIREmedical debtcost-saving strategies
Wealth and health are closely intertwined, especially here in the US, where the high cost of healthcare can put significant financial pressure on families. But is there a remedy to these exorbitant expenses that Americans are missing? Stay tuned and well show you how to negotiate your medical billseven if youve reached FIRE!
Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! Unpredictable healthcare costs keep many would-be retirees tethered to their nine-to-five jobs, but todays guest has a solution. Jared Walker founded Dollar For, a nonprofit organization that has helped erase over $83 million in medical costs for everyday Americans. How? The Affordable Care Act (ACA) requires many healthcare providers to offer a program that discounts costs for patients, so Jared and his team simply use it to negotiate peoples medical bills on their behalf.
High healthcare costs affect everyone, whether youre facing hardship, trying to reach financial independence, or already retired. In this episode, Jared will share tips anyone can use to minimize their healthcare costs and negotiate their own medical bills!
In This Episode We Cover
How to negotiate and lower your medical bills (even if youre retired)
Saving thousands on healthcare with this Affordable Care Act (ACA) program
How to use cash payments as leverage when negotiating medical debt
The healthcare hack that helps you spot erroneous or exorbitant charges
The two best ways to proactively minimize healthcare costs
And So Much More!
Check out more resources from this show onBiggerPockets.comandhttps://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-633
Interested in learning more about todays sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? [email protected]
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Wealth and health are closely intertwined, especially here in the US, where the high cost of healthcare can put significant financial pressure on families. But is there a remedy to these exorbitant expenses that Americans are missing? Stay tuned and well show you how to negotiate your medical billseven if youve reached FIRE!
Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! Unpredictable healthcare costs keep many would-be retirees tethered to their nine-to-five jobs, but todays guest has a solution. Jared Walker founded Dollar For, a nonprofit organization that has helped erase over $83 million in medical costs for everyday Americans. How? The Affordable Care Act (ACA) requires many healthcare providers to offer a program that discounts costs for patients, so Jared and his team simply use it to negotiate peoples medical bills on their behalf.
High healthcare costs affect everyone, whether youre facing hardship, trying to reach financial independence, or already retired. In this episode, Jared will share tips anyone can use to minimize their healthcare costs and negotiate their own medical bills!
In This Episode We Cover
How to negotiate and lower your medical bills (even if youre retired)
Saving thousands on healthcare with this Affordable Care Act (ACA) program
How to use cash payments as leverage when negotiating medical debt
The healthcare hack that helps you spot erroneous or exorbitant charges
The two best ways to proactively minimize healthcare costs
And So Much More!
Check out more resources from this show onBiggerPockets.comandhttps://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-633
Interested in learning more about todays sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? [email protected]
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
0:0041:14
The Financial Order of Operations for FIRE (Step-by-Step Early Retirement Plan)
Hosts
Hosts of this podcast episode
Mindy JensenScott Trench
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
FIREfinancial independenceretire earlyfinancial order of operationsemergency fundretirement accountscash-flowing investmentsside hustles
Most people chasing FIRE (financial independence, retire early) are doing it all out of order, and it’s costing them years of financial freedom. So, we thought, “What’s the fastest way to achieve FIRE, and which steps would you take if you were starting from scratch?” Today, we’re bringing you a supercharged financial independence plan, sharing the exact financial order of operations that’ll take you from a $1,000 emergency fund to fully-fledged early retirement.
We know the steps because we’re reverse-engineering our own paths to financial independence, and we WISH we had done some of these earlier. If you’re a beginner in the FIRE movement, start here and work through these steps to FIRE the fastest. If you’re close to FIRE already or at a significant financial milestone, don’t worry. We have tips you can use right now to retire earlier and avoid the “middle-class trap” that kills so many FIRE dreams.
We’re going through retirement accounts, emergency funds, cash-flowing investments, and side hustles to help you earn more. Plus, what to do once you make TOO much money to invest in tax-advantaged retirement accounts.
In This Episode We Cover
The exact financial order of operations to reach financial independence fastest
The bare minimum emergency fund you should have in your bank account at all times
How to calculate your FIRE number in five seconds so you know your goal
What to do when you make TOO much money to invest in a Roth IRA
When to STOP investing in retirement accounts to avoid the middle-class trap
Moves to make as soon as you’re retired early that’ll make your FIRE last even longer
And So Much More!
Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-632
Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Most people chasing FIRE (financial independence, retire early) are doing it all out of order, and it’s costing them years of financial freedom. So, we thought, “What’s the fastest way to achieve FIRE, and which steps would you take if you were starting from scratch?” Today, we’re bringing you a supercharged financial independence plan, sharing the exact financial order of operations that’ll take you from a $1,000 emergency fund to fully-fledged early retirement.
We know the steps because we’re reverse-engineering our own paths to financial independence, and we WISH we had done some of these earlier. If you’re a beginner in the FIRE movement, start here and work through these steps to FIRE the fastest. If you’re close to FIRE already or at a significant financial milestone, don’t worry. We have tips you can use right now to retire earlier and avoid the “middle-class trap” that kills so many FIRE dreams.
We’re going through retirement accounts, emergency funds, cash-flowing investments, and side hustles to help you earn more. Plus, what to do once you make TOO much money to invest in tax-advantaged retirement accounts.
In This Episode We Cover
The exact financial order of operations to reach financial independence fastest
The bare minimum emergency fund you should have in your bank account at all times
How to calculate your FIRE number in five seconds so you know your goal
What to do when you make TOO much money to invest in a Roth IRA
When to STOP investing in retirement accounts to avoid the middle-class trap
Moves to make as soon as you’re retired early that’ll make your FIRE last even longer
And So Much More!
Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-632
Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
0:0036:27
The “Silver Lining” for Investors After a Historic Week for Stocks| Life After FIRE
We’re coming off one of the wildest weeks in stock market history. How are retirees reacting to these massive swings? How should you adjust your FIRE portfolio in case there are even more turbulent times ahead? We’re chatting with someone who’s in the loop!
Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! Today, Emma von Weise, certified financial planner (CFP), returns to the show to give her perspective on the recent stock market volatility. She’ll share what her clients are doing and the course of action she recommends for those who are worried about their nest egg crumbling.
Times like these prove you need an investment plan. If you don’t already have one, Emma will show you how to create it. You’ll also learn how a few years of cash distributions can help you protect your investments and keep you from selling stocks at a loss. Are bonds actually a “safe haven” for investors? We’ll make sense of rising yields and, finally, share a tax strategy YOU can take advantage of during a stock market slide to trim your taxable income!
In This Episode We Cover
How to adjust your FIRE portfolio after recent stock market volatility
How cash distributions protect retirees from selling stocks low in a downturn
Why you need to create an investment plan today (if you don’t have one!)
How to balance “growth” and “safety” in your investment portfolio
Why bond yields have spiked after a huge sell-off (and whether you should buy)
Offsetting capital gains from stocks through tax-loss harvesting
And So Much More!
Links from the Show
Mindy on BiggerPockets
Scott on BiggerPockets
Listen to All Your Favorite BiggerPockets Podcasts in One Place
Join BiggerPockets for FREE
Email Mindy: [email protected]
Email Scott: [email protected]
BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group
Follow BiggerPockets Money on Instagram
“Like” BiggerPockets Money on Facebook
Subscribe to the BiggerPockets Money YouTube Channel!
Get $100 Off Your Ticket to BPCon2025
BiggerPockets Money 120 - Are FIRE Naysayers Bad at Math? Yes. with Michael Kitces
“A Guided Meditation for When the Stock Market Is Dropping”
Emma’s LinkedIn
Fine-Tune Your FIRE Portfolio with “Set for Life”
Sign Up for the BiggerPockets Money Newsletter
Find an Investor-Friendly Agent in Your Area
BiggerPockets Money 120 - Are FIRE Naysayers Bad at Math? Yes. with Michael Kitces
Connect with Carl
Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-631
Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
We’re coming off one of the wildest weeks in stock market history. How are retirees reacting to these massive swings? How should you adjust your FIRE portfolio in case there are even more turbulent times ahead? We’re chatting with someone who’s in the loop!
Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! Today, Emma von Weise, certified financial planner (CFP), returns to the show to give her perspective on the recent stock market volatility. She’ll share what her clients are doing and the course of action she recommends for those who are worried about their nest egg crumbling.
Times like these prove you need an investment plan. If you don’t already have one, Emma will show you how to create it. You’ll also learn how a few years of cash distributions can help you protect your investments and keep you from selling stocks at a loss. Are bonds actually a “safe haven” for investors? We’ll make sense of rising yields and, finally, share a tax strategy YOU can take advantage of during a stock market slide to trim your taxable income!
In This Episode We Cover
How to adjust your FIRE portfolio after recent stock market volatility
How cash distributions protect retirees from selling stocks low in a downturn
Why you need to create an investment plan today (if you don’t have one!)
How to balance “growth” and “safety” in your investment portfolio
Why bond yields have spiked after a huge sell-off (and whether you should buy)
Offsetting capital gains from stocks through tax-loss harvesting
And So Much More!
Links from the Show
Mindy on BiggerPockets
Scott on BiggerPockets
Listen to All Your Favorite BiggerPockets Podcasts in One Place
Join BiggerPockets for FREE
Email Mindy: [email protected]
Email Scott: [email protected]
BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group
Follow BiggerPockets Money on Instagram
“Like” BiggerPockets Money on Facebook
Subscribe to the BiggerPockets Money YouTube Channel!
Get $100 Off Your Ticket to BPCon2025
BiggerPockets Money 120 - Are FIRE Naysayers Bad at Math? Yes. with Michael Kitces
“A Guided Meditation for When the Stock Market Is Dropping”
Emma’s LinkedIn
Fine-Tune Your FIRE Portfolio with “Set for Life”
Sign Up for the BiggerPockets Money Newsletter
Find an Investor-Friendly Agent in Your Area
BiggerPockets Money 120 - Are FIRE Naysayers Bad at Math? Yes. with Michael Kitces
Connect with Carl
Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-631
Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
0:0043:59
Early Retirement “Traps” That Delayed My FIRE by a Decade
Hosts
Hosts of this podcast episode
Mindy JensenScott Trench
Guests
Guests of this podcast episode
Diana Hummel
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
early retirementFIREretirement accounts72(t) strategyhealthcarestock market crashtax planning
Early retirement in your 50s is a dream for most Americans, but today’s guest is sharing how she could have retired in her 40s, a decade earlier, if she had avoided these FIRE “traps.” Yes, it IS possible to FIRE in your 40s even with much of your money in retirement accounts. “But I thought you couldn’t take out that money until you’re 59.5?” That’s where you’re wrong, and today, Diana Hummel is showing YOU how to withdraw from your retirement accounts even earlier.
In her mid-30s, Diana had a huge wake-up call. Her parents, who had just retired, suddenly passed away. This lit a flame that would eventually ignite a full FIRE under Diana to live life on her terms well before the standard retirement age. She and her husband saved diligently, invested heavily, and were able to quit their jobs at 45, starting two businesses, one of which broke even while the other turned a profit.
The problem? Diana most likely had enough money to retire once she quit her W2, but she didn’t realize she could FIRE so early. Thanks to Roth conversions, 72(t) strategies, and smart tax planning, Diana is fully retired and ready to teach you how to FIRE faster!
In This Episode We Cover
How to withdraw from retirement accounts early and FIRE in your 40s or 50s
The 72(t) strategy explained and using your 401(k) to retire early (seriously!)
Early retirement healthcare and how Diana is covering it with pre-existing conditions
Retiring during a stock market crash and how new retirees can handle 2025’s bumpy market
The biggest FIRE regret Diana has and a lesson you should learn before you retire (early)
And So Much More!
Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-630
Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Early retirement in your 50s is a dream for most Americans, but today’s guest is sharing how she could have retired in her 40s, a decade earlier, if she had avoided these FIRE “traps.” Yes, it IS possible to FIRE in your 40s even with much of your money in retirement accounts. “But I thought you couldn’t take out that money until you’re 59.5?” That’s where you’re wrong, and today, Diana Hummel is showing YOU how to withdraw from your retirement accounts even earlier.
In her mid-30s, Diana had a huge wake-up call. Her parents, who had just retired, suddenly passed away. This lit a flame that would eventually ignite a full FIRE under Diana to live life on her terms well before the standard retirement age. She and her husband saved diligently, invested heavily, and were able to quit their jobs at 45, starting two businesses, one of which broke even while the other turned a profit.
The problem? Diana most likely had enough money to retire once she quit her W2, but she didn’t realize she could FIRE so early. Thanks to Roth conversions, 72(t) strategies, and smart tax planning, Diana is fully retired and ready to teach you how to FIRE faster!
In This Episode We Cover
How to withdraw from retirement accounts early and FIRE in your 40s or 50s
The 72(t) strategy explained and using your 401(k) to retire early (seriously!)
Early retirement healthcare and how Diana is covering it with pre-existing conditions
Retiring during a stock market crash and how new retirees can handle 2025’s bumpy market
The biggest FIRE regret Diana has and a lesson you should learn before you retire (early)
And So Much More!
Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-630
Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]
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0:0056:54
How to FIRE in Your 40s on a Teacher’s Salary (or Average Income) (Finance Friday)
Is it possible to reach FIRE by 45, even on a teacher’s salary or an average income? Today’s guest is proving that, yes, you can retire early, regardless of your paycheck. It may be a little harder than it is for high-income earners, but with frugality, discipline, and smart investments, regular people can achieve FIRE!
Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! At just 31 years old, Kat has been diligently maxing out her retirement accounts, saving a ton of cash, and making enormous strides towards retiring by age 45. Most would say this is a long shot for someone with a teacher’s salary, but thanks to a high savings rate and savvy financial decisions, Kat is right on track to reach her lofty goal. The real question is, should she?
Kat will need to grind for the next 15 years to retire on her original timeline. Is it worth taking an extra couple of years to reach financial independence if it prevents burnout? In this episode, Mindy and Amberly will break down Kat’s options, help her avoid the dreaded middle-class trap, and give her a roadmap for achieving FIRE quickly while also enjoying the journey!
In This Episode We Cover
Kat’s roadmap to FIRE by age 45 (on a teacher’s salary!)
Why you DON’T need to be a high income earner to retire early
When to stop contributing to retirement accounts and pivot to other investments
Giving yourself financial flexibility by saving cash (and how to deploy it)
When you should (and shouldn’t) pay off your mortgage early
Why it’s worth taking extra time to enjoy the journey to financial independence
And So Much More!
Links from the Show
Mindy on BiggerPockets
Scott on BiggerPockets
Listen to All Your Favorite BiggerPockets Podcasts in One Place
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Email Mindy: [email protected]
Email Scott: [email protected]
BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group
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“Like” BiggerPockets Money on Facebook
Subscribe to the BiggerPockets Money YouTube Channel!
The Simple Path to Wealth
The Fioneers Coast FI Calculator
FIRE Faster with the Book, “Set for Life”
Sign Up for the BiggerPockets Money Newsletter
Find an Investor-Friendly Agent in Your Area
BiggerPockets Money 259 - Pensions 101: Are Pensions Worth It? w/ Grumpus Maximus
Connect with Amberly
Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-629
Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]
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Is it possible to reach FIRE by 45, even on a teacher’s salary or an average income? Today’s guest is proving that, yes, you can retire early, regardless of your paycheck. It may be a little harder than it is for high-income earners, but with frugality, discipline, and smart investments, regular people can achieve FIRE!
Welcome back to the BiggerPockets Money podcast! At just 31 years old, Kat has been diligently maxing out her retirement accounts, saving a ton of cash, and making enormous strides towards retiring by age 45. Most would say this is a long shot for someone with a teacher’s salary, but thanks to a high savings rate and savvy financial decisions, Kat is right on track to reach her lofty goal. The real question is, should she?
Kat will need to grind for the next 15 years to retire on her original timeline. Is it worth taking an extra couple of years to reach financial independence if it prevents burnout? In this episode, Mindy and Amberly will break down Kat’s options, help her avoid the dreaded middle-class trap, and give her a roadmap for achieving FIRE quickly while also enjoying the journey!
In This Episode We Cover
Kat’s roadmap to FIRE by age 45 (on a teacher’s salary!)
Why you DON’T need to be a high income earner to retire early
When to stop contributing to retirement accounts and pivot to other investments
Giving yourself financial flexibility by saving cash (and how to deploy it)
When you should (and shouldn’t) pay off your mortgage early
Why it’s worth taking extra time to enjoy the journey to financial independence
And So Much More!
Links from the Show
Mindy on BiggerPockets
Scott on BiggerPockets
Listen to All Your Favorite BiggerPockets Podcasts in One Place
Join BiggerPockets for FREE
Email Mindy: [email protected]
Email Scott: [email protected]
BiggerPockets Money Facebook Group
Follow BiggerPockets Money on Instagram
“Like” BiggerPockets Money on Facebook
Subscribe to the BiggerPockets Money YouTube Channel!
The Simple Path to Wealth
The Fioneers Coast FI Calculator
FIRE Faster with the Book, “Set for Life”
Sign Up for the BiggerPockets Money Newsletter
Find an Investor-Friendly Agent in Your Area
BiggerPockets Money 259 - Pensions 101: Are Pensions Worth It? w/ Grumpus Maximus
Connect with Amberly
Check out more resources from this show on BiggerPockets.com and https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/money-629
Interested in learning more about today’s sponsors or becoming a BiggerPockets partner yourself? Email [email protected]
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