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The first podcast by and for women in the US Intelligence Community, The Iron Butterfly Podcast brings you real stories from women in intelligence.
Eighty years ago, Eloise Page joined the Office of Strategic Services, trailblazing a path for what ultimately became the United States Intelligence Community. She rose the ranks from secretary to case officer, defying the norms of her time, and eventually became the first female Chief of Station at CIA. Eloise was known among her colleagues to be a fierce fighter with a core of steel, and she earned the code name "Iron Butterfly."
Our podcast continues her legacy, inviting the unsung heroines of the US intelligence community to share their stories with aspiring leaders like you.Women in the intelligence community are special because they've dedicated their lives to studying the whole world. And through conversations with hundreds of women in intelligence over the past few years, we've come to understand that the world is at an inflection point. Women hold a more central role in society than ever before, and at Iron Butterfly Media, we are committed to amplifying authentic voices that inspire women to create, wherever they are.
The first podcast by and for women in the US Intelligence Community, The Iron Butterfly Podcast brings you real stories from women in intelligence.
Eighty years ago, Eloise Page joined the Office of Strategic Services, trailblazing a path for what ultimately became the United States Intelligence Community. She rose the ranks from secretary to case officer, defying the norms of her time, and eventually became the first female Chief of Station at CIA. Eloise was known among her colleagues to be a fierce fighter with a core of steel, and she earned the code name "Iron Butterfly."
Our podcast continues her legacy, inviting the unsung heroines of the US intelligence community to share their stories with aspiring leaders like you.Women in the intelligence community are special because they've dedicated their lives to studying the whole world. And through conversations with hundreds of women in intelligence over the past few years, we've come to understand that the world is at an inflection point. Women hold a more central role in society than ever before, and at Iron Butterfly Media, we are committed to amplifying authentic voices that inspire women to create, wherever they are.
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Here's a quick summary of the last 4 episodes on Iron Butterfly.
Hosts
Iron Butterfly Podcast
Megan
Cadie
Previous Guests
Elizabeth Grimm
Elizabeth Grimm is a prominent figure in national security and academia, currently serving as a Professor of Teaching in the Security Studies Program at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service. Her career is marked by an unexpected journey that includes becoming a lawyer in France and working closely with high-ranking officials at the Department of Defense. She played a trailblazing role at the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) while pursuing her PhD, and she is known for her ability to tackle complex and traumatic research topics.
Elizabeth Grimm is a prominent figure in national security and academia, currently serving as a Professor of Teaching in the Security Studies Program at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service. Her career is marked by an unexpected journey that includes becoming a lawyer in France and working closely with high-ranking officials at the Department of Defense. She played a trailblazing role at the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) while pursuing her PhD, and she is known for her ability to tackle complex and traumatic research topics.
Katrina Mulligan
Katrina Mulligan is the National Security Lead at Open AI. She has had a distinguished career in public service, including serving as a paralegal for Barack Obama before his Senate run, working on Guantanamo Bay policy at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), and serving as Chief of Staff to the first female Secretary of the Army. Katrina is known for her insights on seizing opportunities and her ability to pivot in her career, sharing her experiences and reflections on significant moments in her professional journey.
Katrina Mulligan is the National Security Lead at Open AI. She has had a distinguished career in public service, including serving as a paralegal for Barack Obama before his Senate run, working on Guantanamo Bay policy at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), and serving as Chief of Staff to the first female Secretary of the Army. Katrina is known for her insights on seizing opportunities and her ability to pivot in her career, sharing her experiences and reflections on significant moments in her professional journey.
Topics Discussed
activism
kindness
hope
national security
teaching
civic engagement
academia
lawyer
Department of Defense
National Counterterrorism Center
PhD
traumatic research
sparkling water
Benghazi
GTMO
Snowden
cancer diagnosis
National Security
Open AI
Barack Obama
Secretary of the Army
Taylor Swift
Katrina Mulligan
opportunities
career
Chief of Staff
Were back with part two of our conversation with Elizabeth Grimm, and trust usyoure going to want to lean in for this one. After an already epic career in national security, Liz somehow accidentally became a professor (are we sensing a theme here?). She shares how teaching became her calling, even as she tried to resist it, and how she sees it as helping students navigate what to believe in an increasingly chaotic world.
We also zoom out to tackle the big stuff: how to hold onto hope in 2025, why kindness can be an act of resistance, and what it looks like to stay civically active while honoring the apolitical demands of a national security career.
If part one was the origin story, this is the heart of Liz's story. Thoughtful, funny, and quietly powerfulyou'll just want to lean in.
Were back with part two of our conversation with Elizabeth Grimm, and trust usyoure going to want to lean in for this one. After an already epic career in national security, Liz somehow accidentally became a professor (are we sensing a theme here?). She shares how teaching became her calling, even as she tried to resist it, and how she sees it as helping students navigate what to believe in an increasingly chaotic world.
We also zoom out to tackle the big stuff: how to hold onto hope in 2025, why kindness can be an act of resistance, and what it looks like to stay civically active while honoring the apolitical demands of a national security career.
If part one was the origin story, this is the heart of Liz's story. Thoughtful, funny, and quietly powerfulyou'll just want to lean in.
0:0050:45
Elizabeth Grimm (Pt 1): Reaper Ever After on Teaching, Torture, and Selzter Water
Guests
Guests of this podcast episode
Elizabeth Grimm
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
national securityacademialawyerDepartment of DefenseNational Counterterrorism CenterPhDtraumatic researchsparkling water
Hold onto your hats because episode two is one wild ride! We’re joined by Elizabeth Grimm, a powerhouse in both national security and academia. Currently a Professor of Teaching in the Security Studies Program at Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service, Elizabeth’s career path can best be described as “unexpectedly epic.”
In part one of this episode, we dive into how Elizabeth accidentally became a lawyer in France (yes, you read that right), and how her first job out of college had her rubbing shoulders with top brass at the Department of Defense. From there, we talk about her trailblazing role at the brand-new National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), all while juggling the demands of her PhD. But that’s not all—we also tackle the big questions, like how to compartmentalize traumatic research topics. And we include a seriously important debate about the best types of bubbly water—because hey, national security and sparkling water are intertwined, right?
Tune in for a conversation that’s equal parts deep, inspiring, entertaining, and refreshingly bubbly!
Hold onto your hats because episode two is one wild ride! We’re joined by Elizabeth Grimm, a powerhouse in both national security and academia. Currently a Professor of Teaching in the Security Studies Program at Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service, Elizabeth’s career path can best be described as “unexpectedly epic.”
In part one of this episode, we dive into how Elizabeth accidentally became a lawyer in France (yes, you read that right), and how her first job out of college had her rubbing shoulders with top brass at the Department of Defense. From there, we talk about her trailblazing role at the brand-new National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), all while juggling the demands of her PhD. But that’s not all—we also tackle the big questions, like how to compartmentalize traumatic research topics. And we include a seriously important debate about the best types of bubbly water—because hey, national security and sparkling water are intertwined, right?
Tune in for a conversation that’s equal parts deep, inspiring, entertaining, and refreshingly bubbly!
0:0044:40
Katrina Mulligan (Pt 2) on Benghazi, GTMO, Snowden, & Surviving a Cancer Diagnosis
Hosts
Hosts of this podcast episode
Iron Butterfly Podcast
Guests
Guests of this podcast episode
Katrina Mulligan
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
BenghaziGTMOSnowdencancer diagnosisNational SecurityOpen AIBarack ObamaSecretary of the ArmyTaylor Swift
Iron Butterfly Podcast is back for part two of our season premiere with Katrina Mulligan! Part two is just as fun as the first with Katrina diving back into her extraordinary career.
Currently the National Security Lead at Open AI, Katrina shares her experiences as Barack Obama's paralegal before he even ran for the Senate, working on GTMO policy at the ODNI, and being Chief of Staff to the first female Secretary of the Army. Along the way, she shares some unforgettable moments and reflections. She even talks about attending Taylor Swift's The Eras Tour and making friendship bracelets with her boss!
Iron Butterfly Podcast is back for part two of our season premiere with Katrina Mulligan! Part two is just as fun as the first with Katrina diving back into her extraordinary career.
Currently the National Security Lead at Open AI, Katrina shares her experiences as Barack Obama's paralegal before he even ran for the Senate, working on GTMO policy at the ODNI, and being Chief of Staff to the first female Secretary of the Army. Along the way, she shares some unforgettable moments and reflections. She even talks about attending Taylor Swift's The Eras Tour and making friendship bracelets with her boss!
0:0036:37
Katrina Mulligan: Who’s Afraid of Little Old Me on Seizing Opportunity and Barack Obama’s Campaign
Hosts
Hosts of this podcast episode
MeganCadie
Guests
Guests of this podcast episode
Katrina Mulligan
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
Katrina MulliganNational SecurityOpen AIBarack ObamaopportunitiescareerChief of StaffSecretary of the ArmyTaylor Swift
The Iron Butterfly Podcast is back for Season 8 and we kick things off with an episode so packed with insights, we had to split it into two! Megan and Cadie sit down with Katrina Mulligan, currently the National Security Lead at Open AI. Katrina has had an extraordinary career, including serving as Barack Obama's paralegal before he even ran for the Senate, working on GTMO policy at the ODNI, and being Chief of Staff to the first female Secretary of the Army. Along the way, she shares some unforgettable moments and reflections. She even talks about attending Taylor Swift's Eras Tour and making friendship bracelets with her boss!
In this first part, she opens up about the importance of seizing unexpected opportunities and how to know when to pivot, have a plan, and execute it with precision. Don’t miss out on this fascinating conversation, and be sure to tune in in two weeks for Part Two!To support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit out Patreon: / ironbutterflypodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/
The Iron Butterfly Podcast is back for Season 8 and we kick things off with an episode so packed with insights, we had to split it into two! Megan and Cadie sit down with Katrina Mulligan, currently the National Security Lead at Open AI. Katrina has had an extraordinary career, including serving as Barack Obama's paralegal before he even ran for the Senate, working on GTMO policy at the ODNI, and being Chief of Staff to the first female Secretary of the Army. Along the way, she shares some unforgettable moments and reflections. She even talks about attending Taylor Swift's Eras Tour and making friendship bracelets with her boss!
In this first part, she opens up about the importance of seizing unexpected opportunities and how to know when to pivot, have a plan, and execute it with precision. Don’t miss out on this fascinating conversation, and be sure to tune in in two weeks for Part Two!To support The Iron Butterfly Podcast, visit out Patreon: / ironbutterflypodcast To learn more about Iron Butterfly Media, check out our website: https://www.ironbutterflymedia.com/
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