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What’s Stopping You from Outgrowing Yourself? Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Chief Change Officer isn’t just another podcast. It ranks in the Top 3% globally, hit #1 in Careers (US), and cracked the Top 10 in Business (US)—because it offers what others don’t: expansive human intelligence, shared by the world’s most extraordinary thinkers and doers.

This is the space for transformation gurus, bold hearts, black sheep, and unsung visionaries. We go beyond digitized tips and AI-smooth talk. Here, you get real, time-tested, experience-driven wisdom—the kind that blends logic and love, art and science, hindsight and foresight.

For me, this show marks career transition #18. Across 17 transitions, I’ve been mentored by global changemakers who helped me emerge stronger and freer. Now, I’m passing that power forward—through raw, unfiltered conversations with extraordinary people across cultures, industries, and identities.

If you’re a growth progressive, a black horse, a visionary underdog, or someone boldly rewriting the rules—you’re already one of us. Because you are the Chief Change Officer.

Our mission? To help you become wiser in action, clearer in thought, and more ambitious in motion—so you can outgrow yourself and unlock outcomes beyond imagination or calculation.

A better you is already unfolding. 130,000+ followers are outgrowing. Join them on LinkedIn, Apple, Spotify, and YouTube @chiefchangeofficer.

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Jodi Silverman is an entrepreneur and founder of Moms Who Dare, a movement for women redefining purpose in the second half of life. She transitioned from a print business owner with no prior business background to a purpose-driven leader, advocating for self-permission and growth beyond traditional roles.
Richard Carson is an expert in organizational change, author of The Book of Change, and a consultant who applies diagnostic frameworks borrowed from medicine to diagnose and fix systemic dysfunctions in organizations. His work emphasizes listening, trust, and practical, field-tested models for transformation.
Richard H. Carson is an expert in systemic change and organizational systems. He is the author of 'The Book of Change' and has a background that includes archaeology, urban planning, and consulting. His work focuses on diagnosing dysfunctions within systems and helping organizations implement real change.
Lora Chow is a musician and founder of Virtuoso Fiesta, a venture that aims to make classical music more accessible and engaging. She blends her analytical skills with her passion for music, focusing on social issues and community support through her work.

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Here's the recent few episodes on Chief Change Officer.

0:00 24:44

#408 Jodi Silverman: When the Kids Grow Up, But You’re Just Getting Started — Part Two

Hosts
Vince Chan
Guests
Jodi Silverman
Keywords
reinvention empty nest identity crisis DARE Method personal growth parenting relationship dynamics self-discovery

Jodi Silverman never expected reinvention to arrive between carpools and client meetings. But once her kids left and the hustle paused, she realized success had masked something deeper: restlessness. 

In Part 2, Jodi shares the emotional (and practical) shift from parenting full-time to rediscovering your own interests. She walks us through her signature DARE Method and dishes out real talk on marriage, identity, and why your kids aren’t your best friends (even if you really, really like them).

This isn’t just an episode about empty nests. It’s about refilling your own life—on your own terms.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

“You’re always their mom—but not always their problem-solver.”

Letting go means shifting from fixer to coach, giving your adult kids space—and yourself permission to grow.

Best Friend? Nope. Mom Forever.

“They have friends. What they need is a parent who actually knows when to walk away.”

Jodi explains why clinging to closeness can backfire—and how healthy detachment brings deeper connection.

The Real Empty Nest Challenges

“It’s not just missing them. It’s not knowing who you are without them.”

It’s not about quiet halls—it’s about a loud identity crisis. Jodi breaks down the emotional vacuum no one warns you about.

The DARE Method

“Decide. Awaken. Reimagine. Experience.”

Jodi’s four-step formula to reclaim your identity—starting with a brain dump, not a five-year plan.

Rediscovering You

“What did you used to like—before you were someone’s plus one?”

She urges listeners to list lost joys, try without judgment, and welcome failure as a doorway to rediscovery.

Day Swaps, Not Date Nights

“Plan a day around what lights them up. You’ll learn more than any heart-to-heart.”

From partners to adult children, this method rebuilds connection through shared experiences and mutual curiosity.

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Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jodi Silverman
 

--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.

>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

0:00 22:25

#407 Jodi Silverman: When the Kids Grow Up, But You’re Just Getting Started — Part One

Hosts
Vince Chan
Guests
Jodi Silverman
Keywords
reinvention midlife purpose entrepreneurship identity self-growth women empowerment second act personal transformation

Jodi Silverman never expected reinvention to arrive between carpools and client meetings. But once her kids left and the hustle paused, she realized success had masked something deeper: restlessness. 

In this episode, Jodi shares how she walked away from a print business, wrestled with guilt, and built Moms Who Dare—a movement for women redefining purpose in the second half of life. 

This isn’t about motherhood or milestones. It’s about refusing to shrink when your old identity no longer fits.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

The Accidental Entrepreneur

“I had no business background. I didn’t even know what the word ‘entrepreneur’ meant.”

What started as a favor to a friend turned into Jodi’s first business—and taught her that grit beats a business plan.

The Silent Shock of an Empty Nest

“Suddenly, I had all this time. And I didn’t know who I was without the doing.”

With her kids grown, the quiet forced Jodi to confront the identity she had deferred for years.

The Dare That Sparked a Movement

“I dared myself to figure out what I wanted. And I didn’t stop until I did.”

The origin story of Moms Who Dare wasn’t about strategy—it was about survival and self-permission.

From Guilt to Growth

“I felt guilty for wanting something more. But I also knew: guilt doesn’t mean you’re wrong.”

Jodi confronts the emotional friction of wanting purpose beyond parenting—and what it took to say it out loud.

Midlife Isn’t a Crisis—It’s a Crossroads

“This stage of life? It’s not the end of the story. It’s the best chapter if you let it be.”

Redefining the narrative around aging, purpose, and starting over—without the clichés.

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Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jodi Silverman

 

--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.

>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

0:00 25:06

#406 Richard Carson: Diagnosing Dysfunction, One Broken System at a Time — Part Two

Hosts
Vince Chan
Guests
Richard Carson
Keywords
diagnosing dysfunction systemic change organizational health diagnostic tools AI and change management leadership principles trust in leadership personal change

Before Richard Carson wrote The Book of Change, he was writing letters to newspaper editors and fixing chaos in city hall. 

In Part 2, we unpack how Richard’s 39-step framework came to life—from a career shaped by failures to a model refined by fieldwork. Richard explains why he borrowed diagnostic tools from medicine, how COVID and AI are reshaping his thinking, and what consultants often forget: you’re not there to impress, you’re there to listen. It’s a masterclass in what it really takes to move people—and systems—without losing your common sense.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

The Model That Stuck

“Every step in the 39 comes from something that broke.”

Richard’s framework isn’t theoretical—it’s field-tested.

You’re Not a Consultant. You’re a Doctor.

“I borrowed from the NIH diagnostic model.”

Why organizational dysfunction is more like illness than inefficiency.

Don’t Skip the Kickoff

“You don’t send an email. You sit down, answer questions, get buy-in.”

The part of change most leaders rush—and shouldn’t.

AI Isn’t a Leader

“You can’t automate trust. You can’t outsource belief.”

His biggest concern about the rise of artificial intelligence.

How Change Shows Up at Home

“I told my boss I was going back to school. He said no. I quit.”

Why he applies his own model to life, not just work.

Listen Like It Matters

“I don’t need your advice—I need you to hear me.”

The line from his wife that became a leadership principle.
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Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Richard H. Carson

 

--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.

>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

0:00 29:57

#405 Richard Carson: Diagnosing Dysfunction, One Broken System at a Time — Part One

Hosts
Vince Chan
Guests
Richard H. Carson
Keywords
systemic change organizational dysfunction urban planning consulting communication leadership change management

Before Richard Carson wrote The Book of Change, he was writing letters to newspaper editors and fixing chaos in city hall. 

In Part One, he retraces the early detours—from archaeology hopeful to urban planner to accidental consultant. With every chapter, one theme stayed constant: real change happens when you stop assuming and start listening. Whether it’s a time-tracking nightmare or a consultant who forgot to swap client names in the proposal, Richard’s stories cut through the noise to reveal why change fails—and what to do instead.

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

From Trowels to Town Halls

“I was studying archaeology. Then I realized I liked systems, not shovels.”

Why solving institutional puzzles beat digging for ancient ones.

Everyone’s Lying—But They Don’t Mean To

“The problem they describe is never the actual problem.”

Richard explains why surface issues are just the smoke, not the fire.

The Timecard Horror Story

“They tracked every 15 minutes. It was organizational madness.”

A micromanagement case study that went down in flames—and what it taught him about autonomy.

Consulting Found Him First

“One day I was hiring consultants. The next, I became one.”

A random audit leads to a career revelation.

Communication Rule #1: Pass the Grocery Store Test

“If you can’t explain it in plain English in front of the broccoli stand, it’s too complicated.”

What city planning taught him about clarity—and why most leaders flunk this test.

Crisis Is a Terrible Thing to Waste

“People don’t want to change unless there’s blood on the floor.”

How to turn urgency into alignment without fearmongering.
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Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Richard H. Carson

 

--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.

>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

0:00 20:31

#404 Lora Chow: Trading Wall Street for a Steinway — Part Two

Hosts
Vince Chan
Guests
Lora Chow
Keywords
classical music artificial intelligence community support music entrepreneurship social issues storytelling harmony peace activism music business model

What does it really mean to follow your heart—without losing your head? 

Lora Chow shares how her music venture, Virtuoso Fiesta, brings classical music to new audiences while keeping its soul intact. She opens up about funding live concerts, launching her new album Reveries on Ivories, and composing as a form of storytelling. This is more than a career pivot—it’s a case study in blending logic and intuition, technology and art, structure and spirit.

Whether you’re chasing harmony or still stuck in the noise, Lora’s story will tune you back in.

>>Reveries on Ivories (New Album) by Lora Chow<<
Apple | Spotify | YouTube | Amazon

Key Highlights of Our Interview:

The Head Doesn’t Disappear—It Backs You Up

“I still use my analytical skills. I just apply them to something more personal now.”

Why Lora’s shift into music was powered by belief, not rebellion.

Virtuoso Fiesta: Where High Art Meets Real Joy

“Fiesta means party—and we want classical music to feel that way.”

The mission to make elite music more inviting, not intimidating.

Composing for Peace, Not Just Performance

“We write music that addresses social issues and inspires change.”

When harmony becomes a form of activism.

Patronage and Purpose

“We invest everything back into creating great music.”

How the business model of Virtuoso Fiesta is built on community support and access.

Tech with a Soul

“AI can mimic sound. But it doesn’t have feelings.”

How Lora uses AI as a tool—without letting it replace the human connection.

Pen, Paper, and Confidence

“You need to believe it’s possible before anyone else does.”

Journaling, meditation, and why belief is the real starting point of change.

_______________________

Connect with us:
Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Lora Chow (YouTube Channel)

 

--Chief Change Officer--
Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.

Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligence
for Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,
Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.

EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.
18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.
80+ Countries Reached Daily.
Global Top 1.5% Podcast.
Top 10 US Business.
Top 1 US Careers.

>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

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