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Clever is an award-winning, independent podcast that offers a window into the humanity behind the design of the world around us.
In each episode, designer Amy Devers has candid and revealing conversations with the visionaries, culture-makers, and creative forces who shape our world and inform our society. Through a disarming mix of raw candor and honest shop-talk, Clever peels back the layers to unearth the gritty, authentic and sometimes surprising details of their creative paths.
Clever Confidential is Clever’s offshoot series where we dig into the lesser told stories of the darker side of design; the shadowy, sometimes sordid, tales hiding under a glossy top coat of respectable legacy.
Clever is an award-winning, independent podcast that offers a window into the humanity behind the design of the world around us.
In each episode, designer Amy Devers has candid and revealing conversations with the visionaries, culture-makers, and creative forces who shape our world and inform our society. Through a disarming mix of raw candor and honest shop-talk, Clever peels back the layers to unearth the gritty, authentic and sometimes surprising details of their creative paths.
Clever Confidential is Clever’s offshoot series where we dig into the lesser told stories of the darker side of design; the shadowy, sometimes sordid, tales hiding under a glossy top coat of respectable legacy.
Willo Perron is a live experience and interior designer who grew up in Montreal. He dropped out of high school at 14 to pursue his entrepreneurial and creative interests. He started in the Montreal nightclub scene, designing flyers, lighting, scouting DJs, and creating streetwear. He has designed the aesthetic for American Apparel retail stores and collaborated with major pop stars like Kanye West, Drake, Lady Gaga, and St. Vincent. He co-founded Perron-Roettinger, a multidisciplinary design firm working across interior design, live experience, print, and identity.
Willo Perron is a live experience and interior designer who grew up in Montreal. He dropped out of high school at 14 to pursue his entrepreneurial and creative interests. He started in the Montreal nightclub scene, designing flyers, lighting, scouting DJs, and creating streetwear. He has designed the aesthetic for American Apparel retail stores and collaborated with major pop stars like Kanye West, Drake, Lady Gaga, and St. Vincent. He co-founded Perron-Roettinger, a multidisciplinary design firm working across interior design, live experience, print, and identity.
Sahar Yousef is a cognitive neuroscientist with a background in philosophy and a PhD in cognitive neuroscience. She focuses on helping leaders maximize their potential and improve their creativity and mental well-being.
Sahar Yousef is a cognitive neuroscientist with a background in philosophy and a PhD in cognitive neuroscience. She focuses on helping leaders maximize their potential and improve their creativity and mental well-being.
Lisa Donohoe is a custom surface artist and co-founder of Londubh Studio, known for elaborate and maximalist hand-applied surface designs. She met her partner Brynn Gelbard in the queer scene of San Francisco and together they create vibrant visual art celebrating love and magic.
Lisa Donohoe is a custom surface artist and co-founder of Londubh Studio, known for elaborate and maximalist hand-applied surface designs. She met her partner Brynn Gelbard in the queer scene of San Francisco and together they create vibrant visual art celebrating love and magic.
Brynn Gelbard is a custom surface artist and co-founder of Londubh Studio, specializing in intricate and maximalist surface designs. She and Lisa Donohoe have built a community rooted in love, curiosity, and celebrating differences, translating their magic into art.
Brynn Gelbard is a custom surface artist and co-founder of Londubh Studio, specializing in intricate and maximalist surface designs. She and Lisa Donohoe have built a community rooted in love, curiosity, and celebrating differences, translating their magic into art.
Charlotte McCurdy is a designer, researcher, and educator who focuses on the intersection of climate change, futures, and materials. She is known for her innovative work on 'charismatic objects' that include a carbon-negative raincoat and a high-fashion algae sequin dress. Her designs are not only visually striking but also serve as tangible experiments aimed at building a bio-based future that promotes planetary healing and human well-being. McCurdy's work emphasizes the importance of regenerative materials and shifting manufacturing paradigms, advocating for a hopeful and actionable approach to sustainability.
Charlotte McCurdy is a designer, researcher, and educator who focuses on the intersection of climate change, futures, and materials. She is known for her innovative work on 'charismatic objects' that include a carbon-negative raincoat and a high-fashion algae sequin dress. Her designs are not only visually striking but also serve as tangible experiments aimed at building a bio-based future that promotes planetary healing and human well-being. McCurdy's work emphasizes the importance of regenerative materials and shifting manufacturing paradigms, advocating for a hopeful and actionable approach to sustainability.
Dan Heath is an author and speaker known for his bestselling books, including 'Made to Stick' and 'Reset: How to Change What's Not Working.' He is also the host of the podcast 'What It's Like to Be,' where he explores the daily lives of various individuals, from brain surgeons to stadium beer vendors. Heath's work focuses on uncovering universal themes related to relationships, purpose, and the meaning of work, and he is recognized for his ability to distill complex ideas into actionable insights.
Dan Heath is an author and speaker known for his bestselling books, including 'Made to Stick' and 'Reset: How to Change What's Not Working.' He is also the host of the podcast 'What It's Like to Be,' where he explores the daily lives of various individuals, from brain surgeons to stadium beer vendors. Heath's work focuses on uncovering universal themes related to relationships, purpose, and the meaning of work, and he is recognized for his ability to distill complex ideas into actionable insights.
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Live experience & interior designer Willo Perron grew up in Montreal surrounded by creativity. An industrious kid, he dropped out of high school at 14 to follow his own entrepreneurial and creative path. He got his start around the nightclub scene in Montreal doing everything from designing flyers, to lighting, to scouting DJs, and designing streetwear. Since then hes gone on to design the now-famous aesthetic for American Apparel retail stores, as well as collaborate with many of pop musics biggest stars, including Kanye, Drake, Lady Gaga, and St. Vincent. With partner Brian Roettinger, hes built a multidisciplinary design firm, Perron-Roettinger, that works across Interior design, live experience, print, and identity. A firm believer in life having a way of working out, Willo continues to embrace entrepreneurship, creativity, and collaboration in an intuitive and exhilarating way.
Web designers, Wix Studio lets you deliver your vision with less friction. Built for agencies and enterprises, you get total creative control over every last pixel, with no-code animations, tons of AI tools, reusable design assets, and advanced layout tools.
Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven.
Live experience & interior designer Willo Perron grew up in Montreal surrounded by creativity. An industrious kid, he dropped out of high school at 14 to follow his own entrepreneurial and creative path. He got his start around the nightclub scene in Montreal doing everything from designing flyers, to lighting, to scouting DJs, and designing streetwear. Since then hes gone on to design the now-famous aesthetic for American Apparel retail stores, as well as collaborate with many of pop musics biggest stars, including Kanye, Drake, Lady Gaga, and St. Vincent. With partner Brian Roettinger, hes built a multidisciplinary design firm, Perron-Roettinger, that works across Interior design, live experience, print, and identity. A firm believer in life having a way of working out, Willo continues to embrace entrepreneurship, creativity, and collaboration in an intuitive and exhilarating way.
Web designers, Wix Studio lets you deliver your vision with less friction. Built for agencies and enterprises, you get total creative control over every last pixel, with no-code animations, tons of AI tools, reusable design assets, and advanced layout tools.
Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven.
Cognitive neuroscientist Sahar Yousef grew up in the Bay Area, the daughter of Iranian immigrants. She became fascinated by human consciousness at a young age and she followed that curiosity to studies in philosophy, then all the way to a PhD in cognitive neuroscience. Now, she aims her brain toward helping leaders maximize their potential so they can do their best work, then go home to their families, and sleep! Here she shares what you need to know to accelerate your creativity and stop draining your brain.
Web designers, Wix Studio lets you deliver your vision with less friction. Built for agencies and enterprises, you get total creative control over every last pixel, with no-code animations, tons of AI tools, reusable design assets, and advanced layout tools.
Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven.
Cognitive neuroscientist Sahar Yousef grew up in the Bay Area, the daughter of Iranian immigrants. She became fascinated by human consciousness at a young age and she followed that curiosity to studies in philosophy, then all the way to a PhD in cognitive neuroscience. Now, she aims her brain toward helping leaders maximize their potential so they can do their best work, then go home to their families, and sleep! Here she shares what you need to know to accelerate your creativity and stop draining your brain.
Web designers, Wix Studio lets you deliver your vision with less friction. Built for agencies and enterprises, you get total creative control over every last pixel, with no-code animations, tons of AI tools, reusable design assets, and advanced layout tools.
Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven.
Custom surface artists Lisa Donohoe and Brynn Gelbard met and fell in love in the queer underbelly scene of San Francisco in 2002, a time before bi-national same-sex marriage was legal. Their diverse community was built on love, curiosity and celebrating each other's differences. In an evolution that was equal parts organic maturity and cosmic intervention, Brynn and Lisa moved to Los Angeles and founded Londubh Studio, specializing in elaborate and maximalist hand-applied surface designs. Now the duo, often considered the design world’s secret weapon, are translating their wildness, love, magic, and the sacred, through exquisite artistry and pristine craft, into visual celebrations that vibrate with love and emanate joy.
Web designers, Wix Studio lets you deliver your vision with less friction. Built for agencies and enterprises, you get total creative control over every last pixel, with no-code animations, tons of AI tools, reusable design assets, and advanced layout tools.
Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven.
Custom surface artists Lisa Donohoe and Brynn Gelbard met and fell in love in the queer underbelly scene of San Francisco in 2002, a time before bi-national same-sex marriage was legal. Their diverse community was built on love, curiosity and celebrating each other's differences. In an evolution that was equal parts organic maturity and cosmic intervention, Brynn and Lisa moved to Los Angeles and founded Londubh Studio, specializing in elaborate and maximalist hand-applied surface designs. Now the duo, often considered the design world’s secret weapon, are translating their wildness, love, magic, and the sacred, through exquisite artistry and pristine craft, into visual celebrations that vibrate with love and emanate joy.
Web designers, Wix Studio lets you deliver your vision with less friction. Built for agencies and enterprises, you get total creative control over every last pixel, with no-code animations, tons of AI tools, reusable design assets, and advanced layout tools.
Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven.
Ep. 224: Charlotte McCurdy is Charting the Path to a Very Desirable Bio-Based Future
Hosts
Hosts of this podcast episode
Amy Devers
Guests
Guests of this podcast episode
Charlotte McCurdy
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
Charlotte McCurdybio-based futureclimate changeregenerative materialsmanufacturing paradigmscarbon-negative raincoatalgae sequin dress
Charlotte McCurdy is a designer, researcher, and educator working at the intersection of climate change, futures, and materials. She shares how her work—"charismatic objects" such as a carbon-negative raincoat and a high-fashion algae sequin dress—offers more than just striking aesthetics. They are rigorous, tangible experiments in building a bio-based future that doesn’t just reduce harm but actively supports planetary healing and human well-being. In the process, she paints a vivid picture of a bright and desirable world that is not about personal sacrifices or backward motion. We discuss regenerative materials, shifting manufacturing paradigms, and the exponential hopefulness embedded in these actionable possibilities.
Special thanks to our sponsor: Wix Studio:
Web designers, Wix Studio lets you deliver your vision with less friction. Built for agencies and enterprises, you get total creative control over every last pixel, with no-code animations, tons of AI tools, reusable design assets, and advanced layout tools.
Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven.
Charlotte McCurdy is a designer, researcher, and educator working at the intersection of climate change, futures, and materials. She shares how her work—"charismatic objects" such as a carbon-negative raincoat and a high-fashion algae sequin dress—offers more than just striking aesthetics. They are rigorous, tangible experiments in building a bio-based future that doesn’t just reduce harm but actively supports planetary healing and human well-being. In the process, she paints a vivid picture of a bright and desirable world that is not about personal sacrifices or backward motion. We discuss regenerative materials, shifting manufacturing paradigms, and the exponential hopefulness embedded in these actionable possibilities.
Special thanks to our sponsor: Wix Studio:
Web designers, Wix Studio lets you deliver your vision with less friction. Built for agencies and enterprises, you get total creative control over every last pixel, with no-code animations, tons of AI tools, reusable design assets, and advanced layout tools.
Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven.
Ep. 223: Dan Heath's "Unnatural" Curiosity Provides a Feast of Revelatory Insights
Hosts
Hosts of this podcast episode
Amy Devers
Guests
Guests of this podcast episode
Dan Heath
Keywords
Keywords of this podcast episode
Dan Heathunnatural curiosityThanksgiving dinnerpodcastrelationshipspurposemeaning of workResetactionable systems-design logic
Dan Heath, author (or co-author) of bestselling books like Made to Stick and most recently, Reset: How to Change What’s Not Working, and host of the podcast What It’s Like to Be has a self-described “unnatural curiosity” that leads him head-first into his work. A Thanksgiving dinner caused him to wonder what his relatives' daily lives were really like and sparked the podcast What It’s Like to Be. He’s since talked to everyone from brain surgeon to stadium beer vendor – and in the process turned up some surprising universal themes on relationships, purpose, and the meaning of work. Combine that with his talent for turning a hyper-efficient drive-through trip into Reset, a book full of actionable systems-design logic that will help you get unstuck and make meaningful progress in any endeavor. Toss it all together with some vivid examples and illustrative word-smithery and the result is a smorgasbord of revelatory insight and inspiration. Bon appetit!
Special thanks to our sponsor: Wix Studio:
Web designers, Wix Studio lets you deliver your vision with less friction. Built for agencies and enterprises, you get total creative control over every last pixel, with no-code animations, tons of AI tools, reusable design assets, and advanced layout tools.
Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven.
Dan Heath, author (or co-author) of bestselling books like Made to Stick and most recently, Reset: How to Change What’s Not Working, and host of the podcast What It’s Like to Be has a self-described “unnatural curiosity” that leads him head-first into his work. A Thanksgiving dinner caused him to wonder what his relatives' daily lives were really like and sparked the podcast What It’s Like to Be. He’s since talked to everyone from brain surgeon to stadium beer vendor – and in the process turned up some surprising universal themes on relationships, purpose, and the meaning of work. Combine that with his talent for turning a hyper-efficient drive-through trip into Reset, a book full of actionable systems-design logic that will help you get unstuck and make meaningful progress in any endeavor. Toss it all together with some vivid examples and illustrative word-smithery and the result is a smorgasbord of revelatory insight and inspiration. Bon appetit!
Special thanks to our sponsor: Wix Studio:
Web designers, Wix Studio lets you deliver your vision with less friction. Built for agencies and enterprises, you get total creative control over every last pixel, with no-code animations, tons of AI tools, reusable design assets, and advanced layout tools.
Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven.
