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**Announcing our rebrand to Brave Ideas starting with the upcoming mini-series dropping January 2025.**

Join award winning podcaster and CEO of Brave Corporation, Caleb Parker, as he shines a light on the entrepreneurs, intrapreneurs, and brave ideas at the forefront of innovation, who are creating the future of office real estate.

Brave Ideas dives deep into the stories of the visionaries, zooms out to discuss the macro trends driving change in demand for the office, and brings you thought provoking and insightful content from the innovators challenging the status quo as we know it today.

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Sam Gamble is a key contributor at The Instant Group, specializing in data analytics and operational strategies for flexible office spaces. His expertise lies in transforming traditional office models through technology and data-driven insights, making him a valuable voice in discussions about the future of workspace.
Andrew Dunn is the Vice President at Brookfield Properties, the world's largest landlord. He specializes in innovative approaches to flex space and hybrid leases, focusing on aligning landlord and operator interests through performance-based incentives. With extensive experience in the real estate sector, Andrew plays a crucial role in shaping Brookfield's strategy for growing their flex space portfolio across multiple global markets.
Kylie VanBuren is the Director of Real Estate Transactions at Industrious, a leading coworking space provider. With extensive experience in real estate transactions, she specializes in structuring partnerships between landlords and operators to optimize flexible office solutions. Her expertise includes revenue-sharing models, financial analysis, and strategic negotiations that foster successful collaborations in the evolving workspace landscape.
Ben Wright is a prominent figure in the real estate industry, known for his role at The Instant Group, where he focuses on innovative solutions for flexible workspace. With extensive experience in the sector, he provides insights into market trends and operational strategies that drive the future of office investments.

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0:00 31:05

The Lost World of Office Real Estate

Guests
Sam Gamble
Keywords
office real estate flexible leasing valuation models Expected Value Method macro trends in office demand

Special Brave Ideas Deep Dive

Featuring Sam Gamble, CoFounder of ReturnSuite

For decades, office real estate has operated in a stable—but rigid—ecosystem built around the long-term lease. I often joke that it’s a Lost World—a closed system that evolved under specific, isolated conditions. The lease shaped everything: how buildings were financed, how risk was underwritten, and how value was calculated.

But the issue with Lost Worlds is that while they’re highly specialized, they’re also fragile. Even small changes can break the system.

If the office market is a Lost World, then flexible leasing is its First Contact event—the moment when an isolated system encounters something fundamentally new and incompatible. Tenants are demanding more flexibility and better amenities—and they’re often willing to pay a premium for it.

But owners, stuck in legacy systems, struggle to meet that demand.

The Problem: How Flex Is Valued

The challenge lies in how we value flexible leasing. Standard models like Direct Capitalization are designed to handle leases—not licenses—and assume predictable, fixed income. Because valuers rely on comparable sales, and comps reflect what investors are underwriting, we’re stuck in a loop:

No one underwrites flex differently, so nothing trades differently. If nothing trades differently, nothing gets valued differently.

It’s a Catch-22.

📺 Watch: Circular Reference – CRE Valuations & Sale Prices

The Solution: A New Model (From Other Industries)

The good news? This is a solved problem—just not in real estate.

Other sectors like insurance have been here before.

Take mining for example. Mining involves big upfront investments followed by uncertain, variable cash flows over time.

Sound familiar? Swap out commodity prices and ore grades for desk rates and occupancy levels, and you have the same core valuation challenge.

The valuation method all the industries facing potential volatility have adopted?

The Expected Value Method—a probabilistic approach that models cash flow volatility directly, rather than papering over it with crude discount rate adjustments.

What We Need: Data + Tools

Of course, this is easier said than done. There are two major challenges:

1. Better dataWe need to shift from relying solely on market transaction data to using real operational data. But that data is fragmented:

* Operators understand costs and occupancy patterns.

* Service providers can track utilization and performance.

* Platforms and tools can help benchmark and analyze.

2. Better toolsOnce we have the data, we need the tools to model it. That’s why I co-founded ReturnSuite—to give landlords and investors a way to build and understand probabilistic cash flow models that reflect reality and unlock capital.

Our Future is in Our Control

Valuers won’t lead this shift—and they shouldn’t. Their job is to follow the market. But we—the landlords, operators, and investors—are the market. If we start underwriting differently, valuations will follow.

This was the focus of the Brave Ideas talk I gave in London earlier this year:“The New Era in Office Valuations: A Collaborative Approach.”

As always, if you’re curious about the models or want to chat, I’d love to hear from you.

About the authorSam Gamble is the co-founder of ReturnSuite, a modern cash flow modeling platform for commercial real estate. A former landlord and flex space operator, he now helps owners, investors, and lenders model flexible income, justify value, and unlock financing.

👉 Connect with Sam on LinkedIn to continue the conversation.



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0:00 0:30

Office real estate's fully integrated tech stack

Keywords
office real estate technology enterprise speed-to-market data-driven decisions

Introducing NCG Spark — a powerful new solution designed to accelerate enterprise speed-to-market. From strategy to space, Spark helps you make faster, smarter real estate decisions backed by data and delivered with precision.

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0:00 32:04

How Brookfield is Growing Their 1.8 Million Sqft Flex Footprint

Guests
Andrew Dunn
Keywords
flex space hybrid leases Brookfield Properties office landlords coworking real estate

A Brave Ideas Mini-Series at the Global Workspace Association Immersive Event

presented by ReturnSuite

(Watch the full length video on Youtube)

How can office landlords balance flex and stability?

In this episode of Brave IdeasBrave Corp Founder, Caleb Parker talks with with Andrew Dunn, Vice President for the world's largest landlord, Brookfield Properties, to explore their innovative approach to flex space and hybrid leases. Brookfield has already grown a massive 1.8 million square feet of flex space across multiple global markets. Andrew discusses how their strategy is evolving and the importance of stability in an increasingly flexible office landscape.

💡 Key Topics Discussed:

✅ How Brookfield’s hybrid lease model combines fixed rent with performance-based incentives, aligning landlord and operator interests.

✅ Why stability is crucial for growing Brookfield's flex space portfolio.

✅ Insights into the future of coworking and how corporate demand is influencing flex space growth.

✅ How Brookfield views hybrid leases as essential for scaling flex spaces in large office buildings.

Who should isten?

➡️ Landlords looking to innovate with hybrid leases and flex spaces
➡️ Co-working operators and tenants in the flex space market
➡️ Investors interested in the future of office real estate

 

If you enjoy the conversation, be sure to subscribe, like, and comment with your biggest takeaway!

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This mini-series is presented by ReturnSuite:
Software that simplifies complex cash flow modeling for modern real estate companies.



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0:00 27:16

What Are Key Elements of Successful Coworking Operator-Landlord Deals?

Guests
Kylie VanBuren
Keywords
coworking operator-landlord deals partnerships transparency underwriting financial modeling revenue-sharing management agreements

A Brave Ideas Mini-Series at the Global Workspace Association Immersive Event

presented by ReturnSuite

(Watch the full length video on Youtube)

What does a successful operator-landlord partnership actually look like?
Previously this season (Ep2), we explored how landlords and operators struggle to align on flexible office deals.

In this episode of Brave IdeasBrave Corp Founder, Caleb Parker sits down with Kylie VanBuren, Director of Real Estate Transactions at Industrious, to explore how the best landlord-operator partnerships are structured, and why transparency, underwriting, and financial modeling are the keys to success.

💡 Key Topics Discussed:

✅ Why landlords are increasingly moving away from traditional lease models

✅ How revenue-sharing & management agreements create win-win partnerships

✅ The underwriting strategies that build trust between landlords & operators

✅ How valuation tools impact flex space deals

This episode explores what good looks like and what needs to happen for more partnerships to work.

If you’re a landlord, operator, investor, or involved in the future of workspace, this episode is packed with fact-based insights and strategies you can’t afford to miss.

If you enjoy the conversation, be sure to subscribe, like, and comment with your biggest takeaway!

Links:

This mini-series is presented by ReturnSuite:
Software that simplifies complex cash flow modeling for modern real estate companies.



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0:00 34:46

Why Offices Are No Longer BOND-LIKE Investments

Guests
Ben Wright Sam Gamble
Keywords
office investments valuation models dynamic pricing operational data flexible workspace asset class data-driven insights Instant Group real estate

A Brave Ideas Mini-Series at the Global Workspace Association Immersive Event

presented by ReturnSuite

(Watch the full length video on Youtube)

Can office investments survive with outdated valuation models? Not anymore.

In this episode of Brave IdeasBrave Corp Founder, Caleb Parker sits down with Ben Wright from The Instant Group (with insights from Sam Gamble) to discuss why offices are no longer bond-like investments and how operational data, dynamic pricing, technology, and demand for flexible workspace is reshaping the asset class.

💡 Key Topics Discussed:
✅ Why dynamic pricing is the future
✅ How data-driven insights are transforming office valuations
✅ Instant Group’s innovations in supporting dynamic, flexible office models

Offices are no longer just buildings—they’re operational businesses.

If you’re a landlord, operator, investor, or involved in the future of workspace, this episode is packed with fact-based insights and strategies you can’t afford to miss.

If you enjoy the conversation, be sure to subscribe, like, and comment with your biggest takeaway!

Legal disclaimer: Nothing mentioned on this podcast should be considered official investment advice.

Links:

This mini-series is presented by ReturnSuite:
Software that simplifies complex cash flow modeling for modern real estate companies.



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